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Old 02-28-2017, 09:11 AM
 
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Then universal basic income here we come.
It looks like this time it'll be inevitable as the masses are not educated and trained enough to weather the automation that's about to come.
Just another reason to limit immigration to just about none in order to shrink our population.
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Old 02-28-2017, 09:12 AM
 
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Honest to Pete, you post the dumbest damn things.

This move to kiosks is part and parcel of the world-wide trend to automation. Anything that speeds up services and minimizes the need for staff is going to come our way regardless of whether the minimum wage is $15 or $50.

We will likely see these kiosks in places where people are paid $7.25/hour. I was in Alaska this summer and there was a kiosk at each table in a sit down restaurant where we ordered and the wait staff bought us food. I suspect they were paid even below minimum wage as they were tipped wait staff.

Paying people a decent wage means that that the rest of us don't have to pick up the tab for Food Stamps, medical care, subsidized housing, etc. U.S. taxpayers pay billions to underwrite the cost-of-business labor expenses of Walmart, McDonalds, etc. What sense does that make?
That is some really broken logic.
  • Do-Gooders argue that companies must pay people more so government doesn't have to feed them.
  • Government mandates wages that are well beyond what the market will bear.
  • Companies forced to cut costs by eliminating jobs.
  • End result Do-Gooders plan fails.
  • Now People have no job. Government is not only forced to feed unemployed, any chances to enter work force is gone too.
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Old 02-28-2017, 09:14 AM
 
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Then universal basic income here we come.
It looks like this time it'll be inevitable as the masses are not educated and trained enough to weather the automation that's about to come.

Taxpayers will never agree with paying people just for being there. Recipients will be put on busses and sent to a work farm to earn their worth.
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Old 02-28-2017, 09:16 AM
 
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That is some really broken logic.
  • Do-Gooders argue that companies must pay people more so government doesn't have to feed them.
  • Government mandates wages that are well beyond what the market will bear.
  • Companies forced to cut costs by eliminating jobs.
  • End result Do-Gooders plan fails.
  • Now People have no job. Government is not only forced to feed unemployed. Any chances to enter work force is gone too.


There is nothing in the Constitution that requires the government to extract one dollar from one citizen to be paid to another.
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Old 02-28-2017, 09:17 AM
 
Location: USA
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Then universal basic income here we come.
It looks like this time it'll be inevitable as the masses are not educated and trained enough to weather the automation that's about to come.
UBI? In puritanical right-wing America? I don't think so.
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Old 02-28-2017, 09:17 AM
 
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Should people live in poverty in hopes that they won't be replaced?
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Old 02-28-2017, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Gilbert, Arizona
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Just another reason to limit immigration to just about none in order to shrink our population.
You think limiting immigration will help. Millions of service sector jobs currently worked by our own citizens are going to be automated very soon.

Even if you reduce immigration to 0 and close our borders. Then what, we still have millions unemployed who are unskilled workers. This is a worldwide problem, not just ours.

Your short term thinking always blows my mind. It's not an effective solution.
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Old 02-28-2017, 09:18 AM
 
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What decade are you living in? It's not the 1990s anymore.

Fast Food is now a career for many people, thanks to neoliberal policies that sent good paying jobs overseas.

You think you're safe just because you have an engineering degree? Think again. Employers are finding ways to send white collar jobs overseas and are bringing in foreign workers on H1Bs and paying them peanuts.

Pride cometh before the fall. Maybe someday you will have to work a low-wage McJob just to survive, like a large part of the population.
I agree with 100% of what you said.

That is why I voted for Trump. Establishment politicians from both parties sold out the American people.
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Old 02-28-2017, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Gilbert, Arizona
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UBI? In puritanical right-wing America? I don't think so.
When it comes down to go live on the streets or UBI, you think they'll still be right-wing?
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Old 02-28-2017, 09:23 AM
 
Location: USA
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When it comes down to go live on the streets or UBI, you think they'll still be right-wing?
The people on the streets won't be right wing, but the people forced to pay taxes for their UBI sure as hell will be.
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