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You could find a nice little, off-the-radar uninhabited island and live tax-less and practically stateless or try to gain membership to a group of people who are practically stateless, like some island groups or tribes deep in the Amazon. You are choosing to live in civilization and being a subject of a state. If you are a subject to a state and have to pay taxes... BLAME YO'SELF!!!
It would actually be an interesting social experiment to dump individuals who want to be state-free on a hypothetical island outside of the jurisdiction of any state and see how things pan out over time.
Nobody has chosen to live in a State.
If you harm no one and do not use services of the State you still have to pay property taxes.
We've been over this before. The party that initiates force (give me your money -the government) is in the wrong.
Because you are no longer free, or they would not be able to take it at gun point.
Your Constitution gives the Federal Government the right to tax you.
The US is not a democracy. You get to elect people who decide,in theory, what's best for the country which may or may not be what you consider best for you.
We are all free to renounce our citizenships and seek freedom elsewhere.
So who's holding a gun to your head and preventing you from leaving the State? Is the State everywhere? Terra nullius exists! You have the ability to have a stateless existence, and you are voluntarily subjecting yourself to the State by not leaving it!
Your Constitution gives the Federal Government the right to tax you.
The US is not a democracy. You get to elect people who decide,in theory, what's best for the country which may or may not be what you consider best for you.
We are all free to renounce our citizenships and seek freedom elsewhere.
What about exit fees?
And why should someone renounce citizenship when they never agreed to it in the first place?
So who's holding a gun to your head and preventing you from leaving the State? Is the State everywhere? Terra nullius exists! You have the ability to have a stateless existence, and you are voluntarily subjecting yourself to the State by not leaving it!
Let me test your logical consistency.
I decide to rob a bank and all the customers in it. You happen to be inside the bank when I pull the heist. Did you consent to me relieving you of your wallet?
If a man stands in one place without committing an act of aggression against another and doesn't utilize governmental services will he be left alone?
Hint: Hell no!
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Originally Posted by No_Recess
Nobody has chosen to live in a State.
If you harm no one and do not use services of the State you still have to pay property taxes.
We've been over this before. The party that initiates force (give me your money -the government) is in the wrong.
If you just simply exist within a state, you are "using services." You're protected by the military at the absolute minimum. Again, you're free to leave anytime you want if you're over 18, no one's going to stop you.
If you just simply exist within a state, you are "using services." You're protected by the military at the absolute minimum. Again, you're free to leave anytime you want if you're over 18, no one's going to stop you.
So the military is protecting me?
I would say it's doing more to endanger my life than protect me but let's say you're right. The military is providing a service for me.
Again, logical consistency time.
I decide to shovel all the driveways on your street to make some money. Snows overnight, I clear your drive, knock on your door and say "I shoveled your drive so give me $20".
Do you pay me? I provided a service over a geographic area I decided to work in.
* Also, I have a gun and if you say no I may fine/cage/or kill you
Anarchism lol? Well welcome to the majority of sub-Saharan Africa, Libya and Syria. Anarchism is a great concept with absolutely no practical application in modern times...people *will* be aggressive and people *won't* cooperate.
Further in the American sense, the colonialists weren't against taxes. They were against taxes *without representation*. There's an enormous difference.
What needs to happen in the US to better make our system work is to heavily regulate campaign financing, funding and transparency. I also love surplus bills which would force the Government to address the national debt and long term deficits.
Being in a state put's you under the jurisdiction of it's laws, that's the very nature of the state. The state just is, maaan. You must escape the state. Terra nuillius or bust!
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