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Originally Posted by man4857
Why? The simple idea is you have 2 people.
I give one of you 100K to live.
Nobody is "giving" me anything. Where did you get that 100K to give me...my pocket? If in fact someone else was giving me anything, someone else is paying. So you wish to reach into my pocket to pay for you and yours......got it........Thanks but no thanks..... Ain't nothing in life free.......
I'm 26. I feel the same way your daughter did but I will always vote in every election no matter how bad it gets as I see it as being a responsibility for this country that others have fought and died for the right to vote.
There's always a divide between young and old. When you're young, you tend to be more progressive, open to ideas and change. Once you get older, you get stuck in your old ways and resist change. That's just how people are.
But yes young people in particular are struggling disproportionately versus other generations and they don't have a voice at the table because of older folks. I'm with this too, I get angry knowing my parents and family voted against me and so are countless other friends who are my age. This disproportionate suffering is causing a big backlash against the status quo and will flip the system upside down regardless if the older folks like it or not. Capitalism doesn't work for the younger generation right now. They look to other European countries for evidence and they have very socialistic policies that gives a more fair playing field.
The young people think in general the Democrats are too moderate. They need them to be left wing and progressive. ACA was a good start, but not good enough, we need to go towards single payer period. Outlaw all greedy insurance companies, get rid of the for-profit motive of Pharma. Crack down on large corporations, break up banks, break up big communication companies. Etc.. They're really left wing ideas that goes back to the Teddy Roosevelt era where he was "Trust Busting" and broke up companies cause they were too big and had too much power. Same thing that needs to happen today.
I'm fully on board with the Bernie train and it needs to happen. We're headed as a country there regardless if people realize it or not. It'll only be a matter of time until everyone gets a slap on the face. Then we'll get someone similar to FDR who proposed a "New Deal" and created a strong social safety net in response to the Great Depression.
No, the ACA was not a good start. It only harmed those of us that want Universal Health Care in the same way Hillary did in the 90's. What both did was further erode any trust in the people in believing that the government can do this.
I understand that argument. It's a legitimate argument. People are not going to change their views here unless someone is willing to be honest about all of this and even then it's uphill.
Obama had a grand opportunity but blew it. Even if he couldn't have got full UHC in place he could have set it in motion. Instead he lied and gave away the house to the pharmaceutical and insurance industries. We can't fix that until it's first acknowledged.
so even though they would get absolutely zero thanks for it , democrats are expected to now do the opposite of what republicans did for eight years while obama was president ( work with the opposition ) ?
they should obstruct everything that moves out of the oval office , the shine will eventually come off king trumps reign once its clear stuff cant get done
I really disliked Trump enough that him being in office bothers me. He's undignified, he's crass, and he's rude.
He is.
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Is he a liar? Yes. But, hell, most politicians are liars, to some degree and if we'd put Clinton in office, she'd have lied to everyone, also.
I do not recall Sanders lying. You might not like his ideas but he didn't lie about them. (call him a hypocrite for supporting Hillary and I will not argue against that).
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But, she did have something he sorely lacks, and that is a professional, civilized comport.
From what I understand, Al Capone was quite the dapper likable individual in public. The people really liked him.
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I do not think it is asking too much to have a president who speaks in words that demonstrate that he/she could actually take the SAT and pass it. Nor is it too much to ask that we have a president that doesn't appeal to the lowest common denominator like the reality show hack he is.
He's not a great businessman. He's never been well liked in the business world.
He grew up wealthy and he is wealthy as an adult, but he's not made any sort of strides to better himself. He never even learned how to eat properly at a dinner table, nearest I can tell.
This may appeal to a huge swath of the US who have never dined in a restaurant nicer than the Golden Corral Buffet, but come on... this is just not what I expect from an alleged "billionaire" president.
I realize I may be an outlier in that I hate reality TV, but I feel like, since he was elected, we all moved into some horrible reality TV show from which there is no escape until he's out of office, no matter the method of removal.
Do I like Pence? Naw. Would I be as repulsed by him as President? Nope.
Would I prefer some other candidate? Sure thing.
But, I would just shrug off a regular, run of the mill Republican and go about my business.
Truth is, while I would have voted for Sanders, I don't think he realized he was lying to everyone just like Trump was. Thing about Sanders is that he really thought he wasn't. Trump knew exactly what he was saying. He can work a crowd and that much is evident.
Sanders would never have gotten his agenda through Congress. That is the real reason the Democratic Party establishment went for Hillary. As much as people like to pretend she's some leftist moonbat, that woman is a centrist, through and through.
I'm okay with centrists.
Do I love her? Nope. But, that's okay.
Not getting your agenda through Congress is nothing like lying. Nothing. I despised what Hillary would get through Congress. If Trump accomplishes nothing that will be better than what Hillary would have accomplished.
We have enough wars and Wall Street is already flush full of tax payers money.
I think if there was legislation proposed that would serve the people, meaning average Americans, they would be forced to go along with it. But what I've seen so far is only of value to the 1%. It's been a long time since I have seen the Republicans care one whit about anyone other than the wealthy. I hope this changes. It needs to change.
They did and it only took one election for the (D)'s to blow it.
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I still don't see what the fuss was about Clinton.... we still got wall st in the administration... we still got a president enriching himself and his backers.. Essentially all the complaints about Clinton is being done by Trump.
Indeed, they are very much alike which is why I didn't vote for either. Since they are alike, shouldn't the majority be happy?
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I've concluded that Trump merely lied better and told people what they wanted to hear, not what they needed to hear.
True, Hillary was no longer very good at her lies any longer.
The Republicans said the same exact thing, that Obama will be a one term president, and will block everything he does, and you happily went along with them. Now you're complaining that the Democrats are gonna do the same?
False. The GOP tried to work with the President when he took office. The relationship soured during the ACA negotiations.
Nobody is "giving" me anything. Where did you get that 100K to give me...my pocket? If in fact someone else was giving me anything, someone else is paying. So you wish to reach into my pocket to pay for you and yours......got it........Thanks but no thanks..... Ain't nothing in life free.......
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