Lets talk about Merit Based Immigration (generation, healthcare, nativist, illegal immigration)

[Oldglory]

Originally Posted by JasonF

Exactly.

Coming here is actually really hard. To hear the anti-immigrant crowd spew, you'd think anybody can just hop on a plane and move here, when in reality it's a long process and you often need attorneys to craft RFEs, experts to write letters attesting to your qualifications, etc.

A merit system for legal immigrants suiting our needs and enforcing our immigration laws against illegal aliens is not being anti-"immigrant".

[mapleguy]

Canada has a points scoring system, for potential immigrants.


The entire test in available online, so a person that is interested can take it, and see what their potential score is. If they score LESS that 67 points ( out of 100 ) they are not going to be considered at all . IF they score over 68, they then have to begin the process of assembling their documents.


Documents include birth certificate, education graduation certificate , a University 4 year degree, with at least a 4 history of employment , a 100 percent clear Police record, 3 letters of reference from persons who have know them in a personal or business sense for 10 years. Banking certificates that show that they have actual cash in the bank, to pay for their immigration fees ( each adult Immigrant pays $900 to the Canadian Government for application processing which is not refundable if they are denied ) and in addition they must have at least $ 15,000 CDN for each adult in the application. This is so they can support themselves for the first year after they arrive in Canada.


OK...... now they travel to the Canadian Embassy in their county, in person, to make a their application. On the first visit, a Visa Officer, ( who is a Canadian government employee, examines their papers, and makes sure that they are complete. NOW, they go home and wait.


I will point out that in a large country that trip to the Capital city ( where the Embassy is located ) can take 3 days by public transport. Then back home again.

The wait is so that the application can be investigated. Both the Royal Canadian Mounted Police and the Canadian Intelligence Security Agency do back ground checks on the person on the application. That takes time to do. In many cases , the time to get an application approved can be YEARS. At this time, applications from Indian applicants are averaging six to seven years to be completed. The world wide average wait for a application to Immigrate to Canada is now about 3 to 4 years.


So, as you can see......Its not a quick process, and it has a number of "must have " regulations.


The most important factor is .........."What special skill or education do you bring that is going to benefit Canada " ? A further factor is " how well will this person fit into our society " ?


Canada has two official languages, French and English. Applicants must take and pass a online language testing process, that includes their ability to speak, read and write a t a high school level of ability......one of our two official languages. The better/ higher their language score the higher their overall score will be . Those who are fluent in English of French are much more likely to be successful in Canada.


We select the highest over all scores...First. Some one who scores 90, will be picked sooner than some one else who scored 70. That makes sense, right ?


So what is the reality of this system ?


We as a country, benefit greatly . We get the smartest, the most educated, the ones who are prepared to wait to get here. The ones who are going to stay here. In the first 8 years of landing in Canada, over 80 percent of new immigrants have become Canadian citizens.


The current Canadian Government Cabinet has 30 members, all of who are elected Members of Parliament. !5 are women, 15 are men. A nice balance. How many of them do you think were BORN outside of Canada ? NINE of them. All of those MPs were elected by the voters in their home district, to represent them . One of them is Harjit Sajjan, a Sikh born in India, who came to Canada at age 4.


He was a Vancouver Police officer for 12 years, then he joined the Canadian Forces and rose to the rank of Colonel. He served 3 tours in Afghanistan as a special advisor to the US General in Command. He speaks four languages. He retired from the CF and now the Minister Of National Defence. That is but one example of how Immigrants are a large benefit to Canada.


link about Harjit Sajjan .https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harjit_Sajjan


I know this has been long, but I feel that it is important to make it clear how the Canadian Immigration system works . It is NOT perfect, by any means, but it is fair and open to all those who can qualify.


Questions ? Ask me here.


Maple Guy.

[Oldglory]

Originally Posted by middle-aged mom

The US had no historical issue with importing brown foreign labor in the form of slaves and migrant workers with strong backs.

The vast majority of European immigrants during prior waves of immigration were unskilled, uneducated and dirt poor. They tended to live in squalor in ethnic ghettos and did not particularily assimilate, well. As the numbers grew, various ethnic groups imposed their cultures on those who came before. Had they not, celebration of Christmas would have remained a crime. Imagine that.

Many who post here seem to feel threatened by skilled and educated immigrants, too.

Thank goodness our unskilled, uneducated and dirt poor anscestors made it through before a merit system was imposed, eh.

As an aside, I have no particular issue with slowing the rate of immigration, going forward.

You cannot compare the past to the present. Back then there were plentiful blue-collared workers needed to build this country and there was no welfare system. You either worked and provide for yourself and contributed to this country or you went back home. No so, today. Immigrants aren't particularly encouraged to assimilate today but to bring their cultures and languages with them and to retain them even out in mainstream. No so, yesterday. It was discouraged.


If a skilled or unskilled immigrant gets hired over an American and mainly to pay them less so that the rich, get richer I oppose that. A merit system wasn't needed back then but it certainly is needed today.


What's with the "brown" foreign workers remark anyway? Skin color has nothing to do with it.

[Interlude]

We don't need more immigrants, period. Shut the doors as we did in 1925 and let the glut of foreigners assimilate as they did in prior generations. Raise quality of life for Americans and encourage our existing citizens to have more children instead of abortions and "dog babies". Points based immigration systems simply let in immigrants that displace skilled workers instead of unskilled ones, particularly in tech fields and in higher education where the job market already stinks on ice.

[Elliott_CA]

Originally Posted by Ponderosa

Merit based immigration is swamp speak for more H1b visas who will eventually be allowed to stay. We don't need more immigrants, we need better education.

It throws American college kids under the bus. Corporations love H1B's because they work for lower salaries. More H1B's will take jobs away from young American college grads trying to enter the work force.

[OhioToCO]

Originally Posted by Oldglory

Agreed. No more allowing the unskilled, uneducated and dirt poor into our country. End all this family reunification BS also. A merit system makes more sense.

Ok, so skilled worker who immigrated on merit doesn't get to bring his elderly parents here? I wonder how many will consider this a deal breaker and just choose a different country.

[mikeyyc]

Originally Posted by Nor Cal Wahine

So how do you feel then about the new report that states that 72% of legal immigrants here right now are receiving some form of welfare?

Report: America attracting poor, uneducated immigrants | Washington Examiner

That means that only 28% of legal immigrants here are fully independent and self-funded. That's a number that needs to be rectified. We are simply caring for and feeding far too many destitute people who aren't bringing enough money and work-ready skills to become productive members of our society. This is what merit-based immigration will tackle. We need this.

Let's talk about the source for your data. A right wing rag publishing "research" by an anti-immigrant think tank. Surprising what they found...


The Center for Immigration Studies is a conservative non-profit research organization "that favors far lower immigration numbers and produces research to further those views."

[ATX Wahine]

Originally Posted by mikeyyc

Let's talk about the source for your data. A right wing rag publishing "research" by an anti-immigrant think tank. Surprising what they found...


The Center for Immigration Studies is a conservative non-profit research organization "that favors far lower immigration numbers and produces research to further those views."

USA Today has run stories based on CIS report findings. Are they more centrist in your opinion? Do you know of any data that refutes this study's findings? I'm all ears to correction if necessary.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.usato...tory/71517072/

[mikeyyc]

Originally Posted by Nor Cal Wahine

USA Today has run stories based on CIS report findings. Are they more centrist in your opinion? Do you know of any data that refutes this study's findings? I'm all ears to correction if necessary.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.usato...tory/71517072/

So you have two outlets that quoted the same biased study. Did you have a bigger point other than USA today is lazy and re-reports other outlets?


Here's some background on the source of your "data".


https://www.splcenter.org/20090201/n...es-intolerance

[keraT]

Originally Posted by Nor Cal Wahine

It begins as an Immigration issue, when we give a stamp of approval to incoming immigrants who arrive penniless and uneducated. They then become wards of the social system upon arrival. This is something that a vast number of Americans are becoming fed-up with. It's not racist or anti-immigrant to expect a more broad percentage of arrivals to hit the ground running, and not with a hand out for money, food, clothing, and shelter.

As pointed out by "Ponderosa", this is not the law. Immigrants do not qualify for social system up on arrival. USA citizens do qualify for all sorts of social system up on granted citizenship. But someone on green card or H1 visa or Student visa..etc do not qualify for any social benefits. Who ever is handing them out is at fault.