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Old 03-02-2017, 10:34 PM
 
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Well, now it's time to go after Eric Holder, who, as Obama's attorney general, was caught LYING to Congress about "Fast and Furious" and was censured and held in contempt.

Time to go after Loretta Lynch, who, as Obama's attorney general, OBSTRUCTED JUSTICE by meeting Bill Clinton on an airplane while Hillary was under investigation by the FBI -- and then refused to recuse herself.

It's pretty rich seeing the demands by Democrats for Sessions' recusal, resignation, firing, a special prosecutor, etc., when what Obama and his stooges did was infinitely worse.

It's time for them to pay the price.

"What did Obama know, and when did he know it?"

Let's find out.

A special prosecutor should be assigned to go after Obama, Holder and Lynch.

But not just them.

Also: Hillary Clinton (DESTRUCTION OF EVIDENCE IN DEFIANCE OF A SUBPOENA, committing PERJURY, MISHANDLING CLASSIFIED MATERIAL, RECEIVING BRIBES by turning the State Department into a favor granting machine for people who donated money to the Clinton Foundation), John Koskinen (OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE by failing to secure evidence demanded by Congress), Obama Department of Energy and other officials (ILLEGAL SUBORDINATION OF TAXPAYERS TO INVESTORS in the Solyndra bankruptcy.)

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It amazes me that the idiot Republicans in Congress -- who only control Congress because Trump got elected -- are less interested in going after Obama's corruption than they are in aiding and abetting the Democrats in their ridiculous witch hunt against Sessions and Trump.

Part of Sessions' job as a senator was to talk to ambassadors from other countries. The context of Franken's questioning was not that routine task, but collusion between the Trump campaign and Russian intermediaries.

And in that context (Franken, being a senator himself, was well aware that senators routinely talk to foreign diplomats if they are on the Armed Services Committee or Foreign Relations Committee. It would have been absurd for him to be suspicious of such conversations), Sessions answered truthfully.

His talks with Kasylik were not "collusion", they were part of the Senate's normal business. So there was no reason for him to mention them.

In the meantime, we know that the intel committees have met with all the congressional committees investigating the so-called "Russian connection" and they have not presented one shred of evidence that there was any collusion between members of Trump's team -- or Trump himself -- and the Russians.

The only "evidence" presented has been FAKE NEWS STORIES in the lying liberal media based on "unnamed sources" and "officials who wish to remain anonymous."

Last, let me note how repulsive the Democrats have become -- attacking Baron Trump, sneering at and insulting the widow of a dead soldier, publicly calling Trump a "scumbag" (Maxine Waters), calling Sessions an outright "liar" (Pelosi), failing to condemn the assassinations of police officers, failing to condemn riots/arson/vandalism/assaults in Baltimore and Ferguson, failing to condemn riots and assaults on free speech at Berkeley -- not to mention a riot at the inauguration and another riot in Portland.

Oh, and let's not forget their promotion of "hands up don't shoot" even when it was clear that there was contrary evidence and Obama's racially divisive intervention into the arrest of Henry Louis Gates.

Maybe they will win voters over with these tactics -- but I doubt it.

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Old 03-02-2017, 10:39 PM
 
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Is that what Benghazi was? Seems like you for witch hunts before you were against them.
What specifically about Benghazi did I say that you disagree with?
 
Old 03-02-2017, 10:53 PM
 
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Confirmation hearings are conducted under oath. It is enough, should they choose to pursue a felony conviction. Will they? Probably not. Perjury is very hard to prove as not only do you have to to lie, but it has to be done with intent. All Sessions would need to really do is say I didn't understand that I was lying because U get confused by simple questions (Clinton defense) or I forgot. It won't happen. The Bar is pretty spineless as well, but they do occasionally take issue with lawyers perjuring themselves.

under what Statute?
1747. Elements Of Perjury -- Specific Intent

The third element of a perjury offense is proof of specific intent, that is, that the defendant made the false statement with knowledge of its falsity, rather than as a result of confusion, mistake or faulty memory. United States v. Dunnigan, 507 U.S. 87, 94 (1993). Section 1621 requires that the defendant have acted "willfully"; the section 1623 requirement is to act "knowingly." In practice, these standards are virtually identical, although the government need not prove both willfulness and knowledge to sustain a section 1623 prosecution. United States v. Fornaro, 894 F.2d 508, 512 (2d Cir. 1990). Under either statute, the government must demonstrate the defendant voluntarily made the false statement with knowledge of its falsity. If the defendant believed his or her statement to be true when it was made, even though it was false, this essential element will not have been proven. See this Manual at 1753.
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all Sessions has to say that he understood the question as the full context of the the CNN report that was debunked as fake news.....it was Al Franken that used the CNN report as the context of his question.

He also can say that he understood the question as being a surrogate for the Trump campaign not as a U.S. Senator's duties.

or he can flat out say he didn't understand the CNN Report which was a loaded question by AL.

or he can say what he testified to be true and he didn't lie in his heart.......he can say it was a mistake or faulty memory.



there are 3 elements that the government as to prove perjury and they have to prove all 3.
 
Old 03-02-2017, 11:00 PM
 
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Did you not read the article, it says what funds he was supposed to use.

I couldn't read the full article because its asking me to subscribe. $12 for 12 weeks....so I can't really read about the article.
 
Old 03-02-2017, 11:03 PM
 
Location: Pixley
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nah, Democrats started this with WaterGate with Nixon and Iran Contra with Reagan.
Watergate was a which hunt? The investigation that lead to uncovering that Nixon and his team were using moneys from his re-election fund to pay for the the silence and perjury of the criminals who broke into the DNC headquarters and that current Attorney General controlled a secret Republican fund was used to finance covert operation against the Democrats? That Watergate?

Iran Contra was a which hunt? The investigation that lead to uncovering a secret program by Reagan administration officials to provide funds to the Nicaraguan Contra rebels with from profits from selling arms to Iran, in order to free hostages held in Lebanon? After the president said we don't negotiate with terrorists and Congress prohibited providing funds to the Contras? That Iran Contra?
 
Old 03-02-2017, 11:12 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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What specifically about Benghazi did I say that you disagree with?
I'll bold it.

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Sorry that we are t big fans of witch hunts.
How can you call this one yet Benghazi wasn't one?
 
Old 03-02-2017, 11:23 PM
 
Location: Pixley
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Originally Posted by Hellion1999 View Post
under what Statute?
1747. Elements Of Perjury -- Specific Intent

The third element of a perjury offense is proof of specific intent, that is, that the defendant made the false statement with knowledge of its falsity, rather than as a result of confusion, mistake or faulty memory. United States v. Dunnigan, 507 U.S. 87, 94 (1993). Section 1621 requires that the defendant have acted "willfully"; the section 1623 requirement is to act "knowingly." In practice, these standards are virtually identical, although the government need not prove both willfulness and knowledge to sustain a section 1623 prosecution. United States v. Fornaro, 894 F.2d 508, 512 (2d Cir. 1990). Under either statute, the government must demonstrate the defendant voluntarily made the false statement with knowledge of its falsity. If the defendant believed his or her statement to be true when it was made, even though it was false, this essential element will not have been proven. See this Manual at 1753.
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all Sessions has to say that he understood the question as the full context of the the CNN report that was debunked as fake news.....it was Al Franken that used the CNN report as the context of his question.

He also can say that he understood the question as being a surrogate for the Trump campaign not as a U.S. Senator's duties.

or he can flat out say he didn't understand the CNN Report which was a loaded question by AL.

or he can say what he testified to be true and he didn't lie in his heart.......he can say it was a mistake or faulty memory.



there are 3 elements that the government as to prove perjury and they have to prove all 3.
You can try and be Sessions' lawyer all you want, but for some reason after the story broke that Sessions did have contact with the Russians, he decided to recuse himself from any investigation into Trumps's campaign when he previously said he would not, a position he held on to until Monday (2/27).

Stories like these don't pop up out of nowhere. As reporters most likely start calling people earlier this week to confirm the new information that Sessions did have contact with Russians that he did not disclose during his Senate confirmation hearing, Sessions got wind of it and realized he may have to recuse himself, hence his softening on Monday and rescuing himself yesterday.
 
Old 03-03-2017, 12:04 AM
 
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Watergate was a which hunt? The investigation that lead to uncovering that Nixon and his team were using moneys from his re-election fund to pay for the the silence and perjury of the criminals who broke into the DNC headquarters and that current Attorney General controlled a secret Republican fund was used to finance covert operation against the Democrats? That Watergate?

Iran Contra was a which hunt? The investigation that lead to uncovering a secret program by Reagan administration officials to provide funds to the Nicaraguan Contra rebels with from profits from selling arms to Iran, in order to free hostages held in Lebanon? After the president said we don't negotiate with terrorists and Congress prohibited providing funds to the Contras? That Iran Contra?


compare to what JFK and LBJ did, yeah Nixon was a witch hunt....JFK and LBJ authorized the FBI to spy and wiretapped Americans add the voter fraud in Chicago and Texas that got them elected in 1960....Nixon was a 3rd degree burglary.


what FDR did during 13 years in office , yeah Reagan was a witch hunt.


FDR should have been impeached for what he did to the Japanese-Americans and trying to stack the S.C. to pass his new deal.

it takes for you to take really good history course.
 
Old 03-03-2017, 12:16 AM
 
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You can try and be Sessions' lawyer all you want, but for some reason after the story broke that Sessions did have contact with the Russians, he decided to recuse himself from any investigation into Trumps's campaign when he previously said he would not, a position he held on to until Monday (2/27).

Stories like these don't pop up out of nowhere. As reporters most likely start calling people earlier this week to confirm the new information that Sessions did have contact with Russians that he did not disclose during his Senate confirmation hearing, Sessions got wind of it and realized he may have to recuse himself, hence his softening on Monday and rescuing himself yesterday.


he did the right thing, for political reasons. Now Democrats can't blame him that he tipped the scale on the Russian investigation which the FBI is doing. Now the Democrats and the media will put pressure on Comey to come up with something and if he don't they will go after Comey....mark my words.

Why should Sessions disclose that in the Senate confirmation to be AG when nobody ask him and it wasn't a trial or a Russian hearing? its the job of everybody in the Senate Services Committee to meet with Ambassadors of other countries as Senators including Russia....not against the law and it has nothing to do with his confirmation hearing to be AG unless he broke the law which nobody brought up....the Democrats were too busy calling him a racist and how he won't uphold the law and civil rights then to bring anything of his work in the Senate.
 
Old 03-03-2017, 12:17 AM
 
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How come the major Russian spy/ambassador was sitting with the Democrats during the President's speech the other night?
Looks more like the Russians are in cahoots with Democrats to undermine President Trump and the American people.
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