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Old 03-02-2017, 07:00 AM
 
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He's already gotten commitments to cut the price of the F-35 and the new Air Force 1.

He's also instituted a 5 year ban on lobbying by people who leave government employment.

That's what drives waste -- former politicians lobbying to get special deals for companies they work for after leaving office.
False.

Trump did sign an order that he said would result in a lifetime ban on administration officials lobbying for foreign governments. But his five-year ban on lobbying is less than advertised. Trump originally promised to extend the ban to congressional officials, but he did not. Moreover, the five-year ban applies only to lobbying one’s former agency — not becoming a lobbyist. Trump actually weakened some of the language from similar bans under Presidents Barack Obama and George W. Bush, and reduced the level of transparency.

AND

“We’ve saved taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars by bringing down the price of the fantastic new F-35 jet fighter, and will be saving billions more dollars on contracts all across our government.”

Trump once again takes credit for the lowered cost of the F-35 program. The Pentagon had announced cost reductions of roughly $600 million before Trump began meeting with Lockheed Martin’s chief executive. Sometimes Trump says he saved $600 million, other times $700 million.
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Old 03-02-2017, 07:01 AM
 
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Please--the military is not in a shambles. But some things slipped to, guess what, the SEQUESTER!!!

Who gave us the sequester?
Obama.

He never thought it would actually happen.

He used it as an arm-twisting mechanism, thinking Congress would come to an agreement.

Didn't happen, so the sequester kicked in automatically.
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Old 03-02-2017, 07:03 AM
 
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False.

Trump did sign an order that he said would result in a lifetime ban on administration officials lobbying for foreign governments. But his five-year ban on lobbying is less than advertised. Trump originally promised to extend the ban to congressional officials, but he did not. Moreover, the five-year ban applies only to lobbying one’s former agency — not becoming a lobbyist. Trump actually weakened some of the language from similar bans under Presidents Barack Obama and George W. Bush, and reduced the level of transparency.

AND

“We’ve saved taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars by bringing down the price of the fantastic new F-35 jet fighter, and will be saving billions more dollars on contracts all across our government.”

Trump once again takes credit for the lowered cost of the F-35 program. The Pentagon had announced cost reductions of roughly $600 million before Trump began meeting with Lockheed Martin’s chief executive. Sometimes Trump says he saved $600 million, other times $700 million.
Sorry, I don't believe you.
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Old 03-02-2017, 07:06 AM
 
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Sorry, I don't believe you.
Of course you don't. Facts bother you.
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Old 03-02-2017, 07:06 AM
 
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Of course you don't. Facts bother you.
Those aren't facts.
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Old 03-02-2017, 07:08 AM
 
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This is a complicated issue with no easy answers.

First of all, I agree with President Trump that U.S. most definitely needs a strong military.

This said, you need to ask yourself a question, “What is the envisioned role of the US military for the next X many years ?” This will then tell you how much the military should need.

Regardless of what is decided, some equipment is worn out and needs replacing so that it can be depended on when it is needed.

Do I believe military budget should be INCREASED? not necessarily. It should be managed wisely though.

You are disappointed? I can see why. But it looks like other countries will pay up, and Trump will find other ways to cut budget.

Why not just wait and see?
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Old 03-02-2017, 07:08 AM
 
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Obama.

He never thought it would actually happen.

He used it as an arm-twisting mechanism, thinking Congress would come to an agreement.

Didn't happen, so the sequester kicked in automatically.
The Budget Control Act passed in the House with 269 votes in favor — 174 from Republicans and 95 from Democrats. And the bill cleared the Senate with 74 “yea” votes, of which 28 were cast by Republicans. In fact, one of those voting in favor, Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona, said on NBC’s “Meet the Press” on Feb. 17 that “Republicans deserve blame; I’ll take some blame for it.”
And Rep. Justin Amash, a Republican from Michigan who voted against the bill, has said that “it’s totally disingenuous” for Republicans who voted in favor of the bill to now blame the president for it. “The debt ceiling deal in 2011 was agreed to by Republicans and Democrats, and regardless of who came up with the sequester, they all voted for it. So, you can’t vote for something and, with a straight face, go blame the other guy for its existence in law.”
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Old 03-02-2017, 07:10 AM
 
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Those aren't facts.
Really, what are the facts then?

This is absolutely bizarre but I guess I'm actually seeing the willful denial first-hand.
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Old 03-02-2017, 07:11 AM
 
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The Budget Control Act passed in the House with 269 votes in favor — 174 from Republicans and 95 from Democrats. And the bill cleared the Senate with 74 “yea” votes, of which 28 were cast by Republicans. In fact, one of those voting in favor, Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona, said on NBC’s “Meet the Press” on Feb. 17 that “Republicans deserve blame; I’ll take some blame for it.”
And Rep. Justin Amash, a Republican from Michigan who voted against the bill, has said that “it’s totally disingenuous” for Republicans who voted in favor of the bill to now blame the president for it. “The debt ceiling deal in 2011 was agreed to by Republicans and Democrats, and regardless of who came up with the sequester, they all voted for it. So, you can’t vote for something and, with a straight face, go blame the other guy for its existence in law.”
"....regardless of who came up with the sequester...."

That would be Obama.
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Old 03-02-2017, 07:13 AM
 
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Really, what are the facts then?

This is absolutely bizarre but I guess I'm actually seeing the willful denial first-hand.
You say a lot of stuff without giving any evidence or proof.

And then you refer to that stuff as "factual".
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