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Old 03-02-2017, 11:43 AM
 
Location: Northwest Peninsula
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He voted to confirm many of Trump's cabinet members and he is willing to work with Republicans on many issues. Some say he should change parties
I am guessing that make him the Uncle Tom of the Democratic party or to put mildly a DINO.
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Old 03-02-2017, 11:47 AM
 
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Sessions said he never met with them at all. Its the fact that he lied, not the fact that he did it.
That's not true. The context of the question posed to him gave him wiggle room in answering. The burden falls on the questioner, not the person answering.
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Old 03-02-2017, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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You are confusing and conflating two very different things. "Democratic values" are a party ideology. Senator's represent entire states. One need not vote for an ideology that conflicts with the interests of the states for the sake of ideological purity. Conversely, one need not ignore their ideology simply because a majority of voters wanted another Presidential candidate. Voters have the power to get rid of Gardner if he no longer represents their will. Your assertions here are beyond absurd.
Actually you are the one confusing and conflating here. in this string of comment you are responding 2, one person clearly stated that Manchin is voting for Trump cabinet members because Trump won his state.

So yes, by that logic, Gardner should vote with Democrats.

If the person posting had said something like " values cross party lines and Manchin voting for Trump nominees and working with Republicans doesnt make him any less of a Democrat", then you would have a point, but that isnt what was said. He blatantly said the state voted for Trump, so Democrats in that state have to support Trump. So in Colorado, Republicans should vote with Democrats.
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Old 03-02-2017, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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That's not true. The context of the question posed to him gave him wiggle room in answering. The burden falls on the questioner, not the person answering.
Lets say I agree there is wiggle room, that would only fly in criminal court, not when testifying before congress.

I should also remind you that Republican leadership has already stated Sessions should recuse himself, so it isnt just Democrats with a problem here.
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Old 03-03-2017, 11:45 AM
 
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Many people say that to affiliate with the GOP a politician has to pass a litmus test and agree to adhere to a 'party line," while the elected officials affiliated with the Democrats are more diverse in opinion and have the freedom to express their own opinions.
doubt it
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Old 03-03-2017, 12:42 PM
 
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Many people say that to affiliate with the GOP a politician has to pass a litmus test and agree to adhere to a 'party line," while the elected officials affiliated with the Democrats are more diverse in opinion and have the freedom to express their own opinions.
Yes, Dems are all about freedom of opinion. That's why the protest, riot, and try to shut down any difference of opinion.
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Old 03-03-2017, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Secure Bunker
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Manchin isn't a far Left radical NeoComm Bolshevik... so yeah, his party probably isn't very fond of him.
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Old 03-03-2017, 12:52 PM
 
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West Virginia voted for Trump. He is representing his STATE, not the Democratic party.
I give him credit for this. I did not vote for Trump and have in the past voted for Manchin. He's voting the will of the people of the state. IMO that is what a Senator is supposed to do.
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Old 03-03-2017, 12:56 PM
 
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I give him credit for this. I did not vote for Trump and have in the past voted for Manchin. He's voting the will of the people of the state. IMO that is what a Senator is supposed to do.
Agreed. We need more Manchins on both sides of the aisle.
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Old 03-03-2017, 01:12 PM
 
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And my state of Colorado voted for Hillary Clinton - so I supposed you'd have no problem contacting Cory Gardner and telling him he should represent his state and vote with the Democrats instead of lying about the citizens of Colorado who attend the town hall meetings he refuses to go to so he can hear what his actual constituents have to say?

As for the original question, no, hate is a ridiculous term to use. They understand that regardless of the party registration he claims, his votes often tend to not reflect the values of the Democratic party.
The difference is that WV was a landslide victory for Trump, while Colorado was what, 3 points.


Perhaps McCaskill of Missouri, Nelson of Florida, Manchin of West Virginia, Stabenow and Peters of Michigan, Baldwin of Wisconsin, Casey of Pennsylvania, Brown of Ohio, Tester of Montana, Heitkamp of North Dakota, and Donnelly of Indiana should all side with the republicans.

That's 11 senators right there, Trump only needs 8.

That's more than enough to make up for Gardner of Colorado and Heller of Nevada. You can even throw in Collins of Maine.

If you do the math, that's 60 for Trump. Game over
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