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Old 03-02-2017, 07:56 PM
 
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Democrats can’t win until they recognize how bad Obama’s financial policies were

Obama can’t place the blame for Clinton’s poor performance purely on her campaign. On the contrary, the past eight years of policymaking have damaged Democrats at all levels. Recovering Democratic strength will require the party’s leaders to come to terms with what it has become — and the role Obama played in bringing it to this point.

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Many Democrats think that Trump supporters voted against their own economic interests. But voters don’t want concentrated financial power that deigns to redistribute some cash, along with weak consumer protection laws. They want jobs. They want to be free to govern themselves. Trump is not exactly pitching self-government. But he is offering a wall of sorts to protect voters against neo-liberals who consolidate financial power, ship jobs abroad and replace paychecks with food stamps. Democrats should have something better to offer working people. If they did, they could have won in November. In the wreckage of this last administration, they didn’t.



This is a great historical piece with plenty of reference links for further study on the last eight years.
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Old 03-02-2017, 08:04 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Nice article DRob. I thought it was a fair assessment of Obama administration policies and effect as well as some historical perspective. I hope the Dims continue to ignore good political sense. It is scary how many votes they received even though it resulted in them losing the last of their slipping power at the national level.
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Old 03-02-2017, 08:06 PM
 
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Democrats can’t win until they recognize how bad Obama’s financial policies were

Obama can’t place the blame for Clinton’s poor performance purely on her campaign. On the contrary, the past eight years of policymaking have damaged Democrats at all levels. Recovering Democratic strength will require the party’s leaders to come to terms with what it has become — and the role Obama played in bringing it to this point.

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Many Democrats think that Trump supporters voted against their own economic interests. But voters don’t want concentrated financial power that deigns to redistribute some cash, along with weak consumer protection laws. They want jobs. They want to be free to govern themselves. Trump is not exactly pitching self-government. But he is offering a wall of sorts to protect voters against neo-liberals who consolidate financial power, ship jobs abroad and replace paychecks with food stamps. Democrats should have something better to offer working people. If they did, they could have won in November. In the wreckage of this last administration, they didn’t.
This is a great historical piece with plenty of reference links for further study on the last eight years.
Sorry, can't rep you again right now, OP. But thanks for this!
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Old 03-02-2017, 08:07 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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The premise is BS with the do-nothing congress. I think their greatest mistake was running the passage of Obamacare without building in the cost controls. The GOP was perfectly content passing budgets with sub 3% GDP growth. What is driving the market is Trump's mixed populist message. Let's hope it is successful. I want to see meaning budgets passed with real investment into projects in the US.
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Old 03-02-2017, 08:09 PM
 
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Democrats can’t win until they recognize how bad Obama’s financial policies were

Obama can’t place the blame for Clinton’s poor performance purely on her campaign. On the contrary, the past eight years of policymaking have damaged Democrats at all levels. Recovering Democratic strength will require the party’s leaders to come to terms with what it has become — and the role Obama played in bringing it to this point.

...
Many Democrats think that Trump supporters voted against their own economic interests. But voters don’t want concentrated financial power that deigns to redistribute some cash, along with weak consumer protection laws. They want jobs. They want to be free to govern themselves. Trump is not exactly pitching self-government. But he is offering a wall of sorts to protect voters against neo-liberals who consolidate financial power, ship jobs abroad and replace paychecks with food stamps. Democrats should have something better to offer working people. If they did, they could have won in November. In the wreckage of this last administration, they didn’t.



This is a great historical piece with plenty of reference links for further study on the last eight years.

People will realize how great the Obama years was after Trump wreck the economy.

They want jobs, fair enough. But what they'll get from Trump is unemployment and higher cost of living.
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Old 03-02-2017, 08:19 PM
 
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People will realize how great the Obama years was after Trump wreck the economy.

They want jobs, fair enough. But what they'll get from Trump is unemployment and higher cost of living.
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How so?
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Old 03-02-2017, 08:45 PM
 
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How so?
You just quoted an article that says Trump supporters dont want neoliberal elites cozying up to Wall Street.

Your Trump has packed his administration with half of Wall Street. The most powerful special interests in the country that crashed the economy, led by Goldman Sachs, have been given all of the most powerful economic positions in his cabinet. Its some type of sick joke that Trump supporters dont like to be led by Wall Street.
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Old 03-02-2017, 08:53 PM
 
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You just quoted an article that says Trump supporters dont want neoliberal elites cozying up to Wall Street.

Your Trump has packed his administration with half of Wall Street. The most powerful special interests in the country that crashed the economy, led by Goldman Sachs, have been given all of the most powerful economic positions in his cabinet. Its some type of sick joke that Trump supporters dont like to be led by Wall Street.
OK - so you don't know - and you are claiming guilt by association. Got it.

At least wait for something tangible before you go this route...
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Old 03-02-2017, 08:57 PM
 
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You just quoted an article that says Trump supporters dont want neoliberal elites cozying up to Wall Street.
I'm not a Trump supporter. I don't want neoliberal elites that cozy up to Wall Street. I've been complaining about that for years.

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Your Trump has packed his administration with half of Wall Street. The most powerful special interests in the country that crashed the economy, led by Goldman Sachs, have been given all of the most powerful economic positions in his cabinet. Its some type of sick joke that Trump supporters dont like to be led by Wall Street.
Obama did the same. There wasn't a bigger example than Timmy Geithner.

I didn't vote for Trump. I won't support (D)'s that do it either nor make excuses for those that do.

The failed last eight years falls in the lap of Obama. It's why Detroit and Philly didn't bother this time.
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Old 03-03-2017, 05:57 AM
 
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I'm not a Trump supporter. I don't want neoliberal elites that cozy up to Wall Street. I've been complaining about that for years.
Trump supporters do though. They praise the massive Wall Street corruption in Trump's administration as a sign that "Trump hires competent business people that know about the economy". Right after Trump blasted Ted Cruz for being a puppet of Goldman Sachs, he gives Goldman Sachs all the most important economic positions in his administration.
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