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No such thing as undocumented folks they are illegal aliens. Of course the rich like them because that increases their wealth. Americans are hard workers also but they do expect a day off and should be able to complain if they are being treated unfairly. This woman was an advocate of slave labor and was breaking the law all to make herself wealthier. Seems like you're ok with that?
I'm definitely not okay with that.
I'm explaining why the wealthy are scamming the dimwits with this wall business. They make a ton of money off the contracts and still get to keep their slave labor.
I'm not an illegal, but I would imagine if an illegal was desperate enough, that could happen.
Sure, anything COULD happen.
I COULD win the lottery tomorrow.
I'm much more worried about what is LIKELY to happen.
And a tough wall, and an effective E Verify system - means that illegals are LIKELY to not bother coming over here. BTW I'm ok with regular old 'legal' immigration, where we check you out thoroughly and you get in the back of the line, fill out your paperwork, and we know who is coming in.
The wall is needed and as a country must take back our border from the cartels. Drugs demand? I see demand going down and tis demand thing is a diversion from defending our borders.
This is not a free trade zone. the US has Laws.
Demand is a diversion? You cannot be serious. DEMAND is the single reason you have a drug problem and why you have an illegal alien problem.
Defending your borders? You gave the 9/11 er's visas ferchrissake!
Those laws were abrogated for decades while people you elected like McCain allowed them to enter unabated, Reagan gave them amnesty, driver's licenses and free schooling.
Jeeeebers, you scream "laws" while you've made no freak'n effort whatsoever to enforce them but now you think a stupid wall will make all the difference.
It beggars the imagination as to how you make the leap those arguing against the wall but FOR E-verify are advocating open borders.
Are you even aware that on the eve of a piece of legislation deadline involving something similar and parallel to E-verify in your own state of Arizona back about ten years ago, thousands of illegals beat feet across the border carrying everything they could steal that could be sold later. Rental houses they were living in were gutted of windows, doors, fixtures, everything of any value in Mexico including the wiring in the walls torn out to be loaded onto trucks they owned, rented or stole to do a 'midnight express' exodus out of Yuma.
Read the old stories of those irrigation gates being ripped out of the canals around Yuma to be taken for scrap value in Mexico.
The line-ups of vehicles loaded to the gunwhales waiting to cross at San Luis and Algodones during the night hours were unbelievable.
The deadline of that legislation came and went with no greater degree of enforcement than before so they all returned to pick up where they left off.
You're completely correct "the U.S. has laws" BUT, if you haven't been enforcing them, why not try that first before relying upon a very expensive blight on the landscape that will not achieve your goals in any case?
If we enforce our immigration laws in the interior how would those who employ illegal aliens get to keep them? The point of the wall is to deter any more from coming here. They aren't all looking for jobs either. However, I am for e-verify also. There is no scam in building a good physical barrier that will deter many of them. Once they get in here they are much harder to root out and the ensuing costs to do so.
As for e-verify, the Gang of 8 bill included amnesty, would take 5 years to implement and those already on a payroll would not have to pass it so they'd get off scot free. We need a clean e-verify bill that doesn't include such things.
For those that are in, maybe go with a 11 month work permit and temporary work status. Plus a back ground check and have the means to support themselves.
The Merritt immigration system?
Plus have these Immigrants check in with a police or BP at the end of their stay . At the end of the permit they must return and reapply. Which is what the current laws say.
Follow the law and many of these problems will go away.
Demand is a diversion? You cannot be serious. DEMAND is the single reason you have a drug problem and why you have an illegal alien problem.
Defending your borders? You gave the 9/11 er's visas ferchrissake!
Those laws were abrogated for decades while people you elected like McCain allowed them to enter unabated, Reagan gave them amnesty, driver's licenses and free schooling.
Jeeeebers, you scream "laws" while you've made no freak'n effort whatsoever to enforce them but now you think a stupid wall will make all the difference.
It beggars the imagination as to how you make the leap those arguing against the wall but FOR E-verify are advocating open borders.
Are you even aware that on the eve of a piece of legislation deadline involving something similar and parallel to E-verify in your own state of Arizona back about ten years ago, thousands of illegals beat feet across the border carrying everything they could steal that could be sold later. Rental houses they were living in were gutted of windows, doors, fixtures, everything of any value in Mexico including the wiring in the walls torn out to be loaded onto trucks they owned, rented or stole to do a 'midnight express' exodus out of Yuma.
Read the old stories of those irrigation gates being ripped out of the canals around Yuma to be taken for scrap value in Mexico.
The line-ups of vehicles loaded to the gunwhales waiting to cross at San Luis and Algodones during the night hours were unbelievable.
The deadline of that legislation came and went with no greater degree of enforcement than before so they all returned to pick up where they left off.
You're completely correct "the U.S. has laws" BUT, if you haven't been enforcing them, why not try that first before relying upon a very expensive blight on the landscape that will not achieve your goals in any case?
Who the heck is "you"? Please don't put us law abiding Americans in the same category as our corrupt politicians and government. We have always wanted our immigration laws enforced and since our government hasn't been cooperating in the past we elected a president that has promised he would.
As for granting terrorists visas that is another reason we elected Trump. He has promised to vet these people more effectively.
So you completely deny the facts of the link I have posted on how a good wall works? Why is that? Something is wrong when proof if provided but one still continues to deny it. Why do people have walls around their homes and businesses if they don't help prevent unwanted entry? You anti-wall people make no sense at all.
Most of us that are pro-wall are also pro-e-verify. But as a I said they aren't all coming here to work either. We need to pull out all the stops to deter "all" illegal entry. This is a national security issue.
For those that are in, maybe go with a 11 month work permit and temporary work status. Plus a back ground check and have the means to support themselves.
The Merritt immigration system?
Plus have these Immigrants check in with a police or BP at the end of their stay . At the end of the permit they must return and reapply. Which is what the current laws say.
Follow the law and many of these problems will go away.
No, that's amnesty, no way! Americans need their jobs back and it's a slap in the face to immigrants who came the right way. There are good reasons we have annual quotas for legal immigration. Amnesty negates those sane quotas. No rewards for illegal aliens at all.
Demand is a diversion? You cannot be serious. DEMAND is the single reason you have a drug problem and why you have an illegal alien problem.
Defending your borders? You gave the 9/11 er's visas ferchrissake!
Those laws were abrogated for decades while people you elected like McCain allowed them to enter unabated, Reagan gave them amnesty, driver's licenses and free schooling.
Jeeeebers, you scream "laws" while you've made no freak'n effort whatsoever to enforce them but now you think a stupid wall will make all the difference.
It beggars the imagination as to how you make the leap those arguing against the wall but FOR E-verify are advocating open borders.
Are you even aware that on the eve of a piece of legislation deadline involving something similar and parallel to E-verify in your own state of Arizona back about ten years ago, thousands of illegals beat feet across the border carrying everything they could steal that could be sold later. Rental houses they were living in were gutted of windows, doors, fixtures, everything of any value in Mexico including the wiring in the walls torn out to be loaded onto trucks they owned, rented or stole to do a 'midnight express' exodus out of Yuma.
Read the old stories of those irrigation gates being ripped out of the canals around Yuma to be taken for scrap value in Mexico.
The line-ups of vehicles loaded to the gunwhales waiting to cross at San Luis and Algodones during the night hours were unbelievable.
The deadline of that legislation came and went with no greater degree of enforcement than before so they all returned to pick up where they left off.
You're completely correct "the U.S. has laws" BUT, if you haven't been enforcing them, why not try that first before relying upon a very expensive blight on the landscape that will not achieve your goals in any case?
The wall will deter many and addition eyes on the border and drones will fill in the gaps. It is clear the cartels are always probing to find a venue of access.
Those issues are here in in Casa Grande which is the cross roads for traffic for Illegal and drug trafficking. We have whole section of I8 (Reservoir Road and Green Valley) which has turned in nomads land.
All the more the National guard from may states train and defend our southern border.
I'm explaining why the wealthy are scamming the dimwits with this wall business. They make a ton of money off the contracts and still get to keep their slave labor.
It's a win-win for them and a lose-lose for us.
Your explanation made no sense and I already told you why. Most who hire illegal aliens don't want the wall. I don't know where you are getting that they do. Someone has to make money building the wall that's a given. Again, how will they be able to keep their slave labor if we enforce our laws internally?
Most who want the wall want it because it is necessary and they don't hire illegal aliens.
Who the heck is "you"? Please don't put us law abiding Americans in the same category as our corrupt politicians and government. We have always wanted our immigration laws enforced and since our government hasn't been cooperating in the past we elected a president that has promised he would.
As for granting terrorists visas that is another reason we elected Trump. He has promised to vet these people more effectively.
So you completely deny the facts of the link I have posted on how a good wall works? Why is that? Something is wrong when proof if provided but one still continues to deny it. Why do people have walls around their homes and businesses if they don't help prevent unwanted entry? You anti-wall people make no sense at all.
Most of us that are pro-wall are also pro-e-verify. But as a I said they aren't all coming here to work either. We need to pull out all the stops to deter "all" illegal entry. This is a national security issue.
Having been over and over that any number of times once more might just do it?
The wall is shown to work where it is because they GO ELSEWHERE where it isn't. Now before you go all 'well that proves a wall works', it only proves that if another choice is still available, they will go to the easiest route first.
Once you've managed to convince, force compliance or outright eminent domain those areas of the southern border owned by Americans who do not want the dang thing and manage to build a wall down the banks or middle of the Rio Grande through the entirety of Texas they will no longer have a choice and come over the thing wherever.
Surely you cannot doubt the fact that if it were YOU on the other side of it wanting out, you'd find some way to get over a mere wall. Were I an enterprising entrepreneur I'd start up a hang glider business selling them all the cheapest piece of crap to then launch them off the top of a boom truck backed up to the silly wall. buy an old fire ladder truck and just let them slide down a slide the other side. Rent a Cessna with a lift up side door and throw four of them out with old military surplus T-10 canopies rip-corded to a seat belt anchor bolt.
There are already literally thousands of ways to get over a wall and more to yet be invented, but you can take it to the bank they'll prove to be just as enterprising as you'd be.
Cripes you're making that wall out to be some insurmountable mountain pass. They'll be figuring out how to go over it before the thing is even finished if the DEMAND for them still exists.
Having been over and over that any number of times once more might just do it?
The wall is shown to work where it is because they GO ELSEWHERE where it isn't. Now before you go all 'well that proves a wall works', it only proves that if another choice is still available, they will go to the easiest route first.
Once you've managed to convince, force compliance or outright eminent domain those areas of the southern border owned by Americans who do not want the dang thing and manage to build a wall down the banks or middle of the Rio Grande through the entirety of Texas they will no longer have a choice and come over the thing wherever.
Surely you cannot doubt the fact that if it were YOU on the other side of it wanting out, you'd find some way to get over a mere wall. Were I an enterprising entrepreneur I'd start up a hang glider business selling them all the cheapest piece of crap to then launch them off the top of a boom truck backed up to the silly wall. buy an old fire ladder truck and just let them slide down a slide the other side. Rent a Cessna with a lift up side door and throw four of them out with old military surplus T-10 canopies rip-corded to a seat belt anchor bolt.
There are already literally thousands of ways to get over a wall and more to yet be invented, but you can take it to the bank they'll prove to be just as enterprising as you'd be.
Cripes you're making that wall out to be some insurmountable mountain pass. They'll be figuring out how to go over it before the thing is even finished if the DEMAND for them still exists.
Most of the prolific posters on this thread are from the old school, old thinking, old remedies, notions of WW2 defense mechanisms, utilizing whatever it takes in manpower and money. The real problem though is obvious to most thinkers, and that is the fact of the US having a distinct interest in most of the third world's labor force utilization. Cheap labor, that's the bottom line, and when reading the posts here over the years I know many here are actually championing the cause of low wages, anti union, anti min wage, and consistently siding with the upper class on most economic issues.
This wall isn't going to address the greater problems of legal workers coming here and displacing the American worker, nor is it enough to deter those who have managed to circumvent the already costly defenses presently in place. I'll bet on the side of human ingenuity, no wall will ever keep a desperate population from attempting to have a decent life, nor will this country ever succeed in becoming an island of prosperity amid a sea of poverty. The new world financial order has it's own dictates, and open borders is part of that vision along with unlimited trading treaties. Welcome to the new world.
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Of course the rich like them because that increases their wealth. Americans are hard workers also but they do expect a day off and should be able to complain if they are being treated unfairly. This woman was an advocate of slave labor and was breaking the law all to make herself wealthier. Seems like you're ok with that?
