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I served in the Military and we have the UCMJ, the Uniform Code of Military Justice....military law is a lot stricter than civilian law.
Currently, under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, 14 offenses are punishable by death. Under the following sections of the UCMJ, the death penalty can be imposed at any time:
your comments on our military is ignorant.....do soldiers commit crimes? of course but they get punish a lot harder than in civilian court and they have less rights in a military court than civilian court.
What Jane Fonda did, extended the war because it gave aid and propaganda to the enemy to continue the war and not accept a peace treaty and more people died.......if she was a soldier she would have been put to death by Court Martial.
And how many American soldiers who were guilty of raping Vietnamese women and children were actually ever prosecuted for their crime? Hmmmm?
Oh wait, that's right, if they weren't prosecuted that means it never happened.
The soldiers that committed those crimes and their fellow soldiers who kept their mouths shut about it are guilty of much worse conduct than anything Jane Fonda ever did.
How dare they whine about Jane Fonda...... for what?.....hurting their feelings?
And how many American soldiers who were guilty of raping Vietnamese women and children were actually ever prosecuted for their crime? Hmmmm?
Oh wait, that's right, if they weren't prosecuted that means it never happened.
The soldiers that committed those crimes and their fellow soldiers who kept their mouths shut about it are guilty of much worse conduct than anything Jane Fonda ever did.
How dare they whine about Jane Fonda.
The ones who have never committed war crimes have every right to have an opinion about her.
The government sent them over there, nobody volunteered to go to a third world hell hole just to rape women.
What Jane Fonda did, extended the war because it gave aid and propaganda to the enemy to continue the war and not accept a peace treaty and more people died.......if she was a soldier she would have been put to death by Court Martial.
Oh, please! What in the world are you smoking? Richard Nixon prolonged the war for political gain. It should have ended many years earlier.
So from your righteous position, do you even today think that the U. S. was blameless for what they did in Vietnam, along with those from several allied countries? Do you think that the so-called Gulf of Tonkin Incident, that was used as our ticket to join the battle, was a real event? A large number of even the most hardcore hawks on Vietnam, have eventually recognized it for what it was. Even Robert McNamara, the Sec. of Defense when the battle was started and one of the main proponents of it, confessed years later, that he knew we were wrong. At what point in time he came to that realization, is not clear. But I don't think that any of us can truthfully say that the Vietnamese or any faction of them, were really our enemies. They didn't share our ideas about politics and had different plans for a part of that country that had once been united. But I'm not aware of any attack they made on us or any threat they posed to us, before we moved our forces halfway around the world to go against them.
Maybe you could look at the big picture and decide how much of all that can be focused and blamed on one young woman, who later recognized her mistake and acknowledged it. She was turned into an icon for resentment, over our failure and frustration in that military action. Now, she's 79. How will you benefit by continuing to demonize her?
what does that has to do with supporting and aiding our enemy?
you can find blame in our government in every war we have been involved but that doesn't excuse her actions of supporting and aiding our enemy in enemy soil while our American soldiers were fighting and being POW and being tortured and starved.
demonized her? NO, she demonized our soldiers and our mission in Vietnam by standing and supporting our sworn enemy and being part of their propaganda.
Vietnam was part of the bigger picture in the Cold War....you remember that war in history class?....the one that we won and if we didn't this world would be very different in a bad way.
a mistake is when I step on your toe by accident or hit the rear of your car hitting reverse for being careless for a few seconds...what she did was well planned and thought out and she was part of the radical groups in the Vietnam Era that labeled our soldiers as killers and rapist.
She delivered several messages on the communist country’s Radio Hanoi encouraging American soldiers not to bomb the North Vietnamese. She also reportedly called freed American prisoners of war returning to the U.S. "hypocrites and liars" for claiming they had been tortured by their captors.
that is not a mistake, that's just plain treason!....she only apologize for taking the picture with the tank. She declined to apologize for speaking out against the war on Radio Hanoi, or for meeting with American POWs during her 1972 visit, which the North Vietnamese later used for the purpose of propaganda.
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I think some people believe rape Vietnamese women was wrong, but somehow, nobody mentioned German and Japanese women have also been raped.
Well, the outrage should be at least consistent. Just sayin'. Rape is rape. Revenge rape is still rape, there is no justification in it. I'd say Hanoi Jane deserves to be recognized as a rape victim in my opinion. I will just leave it at that.
Let's face it, how SOME Americans view war and soldiers in war is directly connected to the popularity of that war. WW2 good, all soldiers are heroes; Vietnam and Iraq war bad, all soldiers are baby killers.
Terrible logic.
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And how many American soldiers who were guilty of raping Vietnamese women and children were actually ever prosecuted for their crime? Hmmmm?
Oh wait, that's right, if they weren't prosecuted that means it never happened.
The soldiers that committed those crimes and their fellow soldiers who kept their mouths shut about it are guilty of much worse conduct than anything Jane Fonda ever did.
How dare they whine about Jane Fonda...... for what?.....hurting their feelings?
I don't know how many soldiers raped women in Vietnam and got away with it, I wasn't in NAM but you sure talk like you know the stats......tell us and what is your source.
yeah, proving a negative argument.
yeah How dare our veterans whine about Jane Fonda.......she is Jane Fonda, the daughter of Henry Fonda a liberal actress.
If Jane wanted to tell US service people who were engaged in the conflict that she loved them and wanted an early end to the conflict, she had many ways to do so other than an identity with the enemy. The choice of that venue expressed no solicitude for US citizens who were fighting and dying for a cause, but rather her personally held idea that government policy was corrupt or poorly informed. And to prove it, she took the side of the enemy.
When Jane embraced the antiaircraft weapons of a brutal regime, she became a tool of that regime. The questions as to justification for the US actions are important, in their own right, but are not answered by a celebrity woman hanging out with the opposing force.
So in my opinion, she did it all wrong.
Now it makes a little sense. Maybe she thought every man was a rapist. Who knows what got into her head?
Being 79, I hope she finds some peaceful moments I think she suffered from a lot of internal conflicts. I wish her well.
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When Jane embraced the antiaircraft weapons of a brutal regime, she became a tool of that regime. The questions as to justification for the US actions are important, in their own right, but are not answered by a celebrity woman hanging out with the opposing force.
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not only that but speaking out against the United States and the mission of our soldiers on Radio Hanoi that was used for propaganda of that brutal regime which that regime used to break the will and spirit of our POW's.
not only that but speaking out against the United States and the mission of our soldiers on Radio Hanoi that was used for propaganda of that brutal regime which that regime used to break the will and spirit of our POW's.
yeah terrible.
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