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Old 03-16-2017, 08:09 AM
 
Location: In The Thin Air
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Originally Posted by Dockside View Post
That's deep dude.
I couldn't resist.


 
Old 03-16-2017, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Even Paul Ryan says that he doesn't believe Trumps wiretap claims.
 
Old 03-16-2017, 09:20 AM
 
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And in the same briefing it was mentioned there was ZERO evidence the Trump campaign was working with the Russians during the election..
So it seems, this thread is all about zero...
 
Old 03-16-2017, 09:28 AM
 
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Default Foul!

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It's a frequent theme here, to ask when Trump will admit to making false accusations. He's not going to do that and it's a waste of time in trying to force him into it. He's a narcissist of the worst sort and they never change. They don't even seem aware of what they are.

My mother was a narcissist and she was incapable of ever admitting she was wrong about anything. She expressed extreme opinions about most everything, with never anything to back her claims. She'd never acknowledge a mistake or admit to any of her frequent lies and was this way to the end. Why would anyone expect any different from Trump?

I was thinking about suggesting that all would-be presidential candidates should have to pass psychological exams and be observed and approved by a non-partisan panel of experts, before being certified to run for the office. But that wouldn't work-------who would there be among the candidates we've seen for the past four decades, who could pass that? There have been times, such as 1933-1963, when we've had stable and dependable people in the office and a couple since then, but that seems to be only an historical phase, nowadays.
You should review the thread below to learn why you don't have "the right to psychologically abuse others" (there around comment #164)...

//www.city-data.com/forum/polit...tally-ill.html
 
Old 03-16-2017, 09:39 AM
 
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Don't knock it. Cartoons can be very effective. You know what they say about a picture being worth a thousand words.

I have a collection of cartoons about liberals/Democrats/specific individuals. Would you like to see their effectiveness? No? I didn't think so. They don't come from "credible sources".

In answer to your musing about "What has or will Trump do about adjusting that tilt toward the rich as only appropriate?" I can only ask WHAT MAKES YOU BELIEVE THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAS TO MAKE SUCH AN ADJUSTMENT?

Trump paid his tax, according to all that the law prescribes and allows. WHAT is your beef?

Should someone who makes $200K and pays the tax due be criticized by those who make $50K because of the perceived disparity?

You would probably be a good running mate for Sanders, or some other socialist type candidate.

There's a fourth item: A crime was committed leaking part of an old Trump tax return. Why was that particular return selected by the leaker? Perhaps it was to illustrate your point about the disparity between the rich and the poor?

You would probably be a good running mate for Sanders, or some other socialist type candidate.
Good point...

I am a big fan of political cartoons going back to Conrad.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/05/us.../05conrad.html

But those are not the sort of cartoons I had in mind when I posted my comment. Also understand and appreciate how "a picture is worth a thousand words." We would do well to use more pictures and less words in these threads, me most certainly included! You are wrong, however, about me and most of the rest.

My "beef" is that regardless what the most wealthy pay in taxes as the "law prescribes and allows," the amount is not appropriate as even Trump seemed to be saying before he became POTUS. Were you listening?

"I am willing to pay more, and you know what, the wealthy are willing to pay more" -- Trump

I could go on to try and explain, attempt to untangle what now you want to label "socialist" in typical nonsense fashion, but instead I'll just leave you to consider not what Sanders, Obama, Gates, Buffet and others like them have been saying for a long time now. I'll leave you with what Trump was saying (though of course not at all what he is actually doing).

Fair?
 
Old 03-16-2017, 09:46 AM
 
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Obama is "better" at admitting mistakes than Trump - but that is a low bar.

If you are honest, you will admit that Obama too often pushed off the blame by lying, pretending that he just found out about it from the media, pointing the finger in the wrong direction, etc...
I've never served as POTUS, but I think it is obvious any POTUS has no choice but to rely on the sources he trusts to provide him/her whatever information necessary. Those sources and his sense of what to believe or not, what to do or not, in the face of often conflicting information or lack of information altogether. There is no way around this for any leader of any large organization, like say a CEO of a Fortune 500 company, let alone the government of the United States.

Interesting how people seem to rank integrity, but all I could tell from Obama was that he had integrity, and often what seemed to be "lies" and all the rest that anti-Obama folks love to go on about are better explained by way of what information and challenges Obama had to work with.

At the same time, the "buck stops" with any such leader, and the best leaders take that responsibility seriously, and they will explain as best they can what they know, what they didn't know, and why they did what they did as a result. Obama was good at that.

Trump on the other hand...

Well let's just start with what it is that might make anyone think Trump is a man of integrity before we can begin to take comfort that Trump is the sort of leader I am describing above. Not easy...

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Old 03-16-2017, 10:15 AM
 
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Can't rep you so thanks to you here for that, and the link.

Probably the reason for so many being released from their posts, as in...

Sessions asks 46 Obama-era US attorneys to resign | TheHill

It's not unusual, though. President Lincoln replaced 70% of previous administration appointees.

Clinton fired some 90+ when he took the office of President.

The swamp in D.C. is deep and dark, and its dwellers very territorial.
Isn't it great to think that anyone at a young age might get so interested and involved in politics because of the wrong they see going on around them, so they devote their career to one of politics, to make change for the better...

And then no sooner do you perhaps make it to Congress after a fair number of years, public service perhaps, a few campaigns won and/or lost, and what does the general populace now think of you? You're a loathed politician just like all the rest, and you too need to be thrown out with the rest of the bums so new blood from elsewhere can step in and take your place as part of that want for change that got you into politics in the first place!

Something like working many years at a company, finally making your way to apply for an upper management position only to find you are being passed up by someone hired from the outside, a consultant, because the CEO decides he prefers new blood...

Hard not to understand and appreciate both sides of those sorts of issues, but sometimes it sure seems that to be in politics is essentially to be "damned if you do, and damned if you don't." Something like expressing opinion in these threads. You just can't please all the people all the time, especially those who don't particularly like your way of thinking.

Best have a thick skin if you go the way of politics in any case, which then might also mean you don't really care that much about what other people think. That can be another problem of sorts...
 
Old 03-16-2017, 10:31 AM
 
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This morning I took the time to watch last night's Trump interview on Tucker Carlson about the tweets. As usual, Trump never disappoints.

The evidence he has to prove he's right? Some exists, some still being compiled. When will he provide it? That's the kicker. Maybe before the Committee meets (presumably he's referring to the House Intelligence Committee on 20 March). Maybe AFTER "I see the [Committee] results." Say what?

What Trump coughs up depends on any Committee conclusions or statements? Or if he doesn't like the "results," the tactic will be to undermine or contradict them. Does that not sound familiar. This week, the CBO data. Next week ...

This thread may continue for a while.
 
Old 03-16-2017, 10:42 AM
 
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I think its absolutely impossible to beat Trump in an election, because he is so smart at gaining the upper hand in the face of any type of controversy.
That Access Hollywood tape was the best example.
And now we have Obama's dirty shadow government attempting to destroy President Trump.
President Trump will destroy Obama.
The only thing Obama was good at was leaving Iraq wide open for ISIS.
President Trump is wisely keeping the evidence close to his vest, because he knows Obama's people are everywhere.
Keep gathering more evidence before you pull the trigger.
 
Old 03-16-2017, 10:54 AM
 
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Isn't it great to think that anyone at a young age might get so interested and involved in politics because of the wrong they see going on around them, so they devote their career to one of politics, to make change for the better...

And then no sooner do you perhaps make it to Congress after a fair number of years, public service perhaps, a few campaigns won and/or lost, and what does the general populace now think of you? You're a loathed politician just like all the rest, and you too need to be thrown out with the rest of the bums so new blood from elsewhere can step in and take your place as part of that want for change that got you into politics in the first place!

Something like working many years at a company, finally making your way to apply for an upper management position only to find you are being passed up by someone hired from the outside, a consultant, because the CEO decides he prefers new blood...

Hard not to understand and appreciate both sides of those sorts of issues, but sometimes it sure seems that to be in politics is essentially to be "damned if you do, and damned if you don't." Something like expressing opinion in these threads. You just can't please all the people all the time, especially those who don't particularly like your way of thinking.

Best have a thick skin if you go the way of politics in any case, which then might also mean you don't really care that much about what other people think. That can be another problem of sorts...
The conundrum many politicians face is that they dutifully set off for Washington full of good intentions buoyed by the hopes of their constituents only to encounter ... that swamp. Now no argument that some of the swamp is nefarious, those so-called crooked lobbyists. Lobbyists may well be a Trojan Horse of sorts in that they do come bringing a nominal gift - and that is information. Too, the expertise of the bureaucracy is now being defined as part of the swamp. Off with their jobs.

Trump may have a point. Most politicians encounter a reality of sorts once their feet cross the DC line ... some of that reality may be the long-honored American tradition of political compromise ... some may be those pesky "facts" that keep cropping up.

Is any altering of a politician's course an acknowledgment of a new-found reality or is it selling out and joining the swamp to keep his or her job? Or something in between? You know the expression ... the eye of the beholder.

Trump, though, is arguably taking a course that differs somewhat from other politicians for He Is Keeping His Campaign Promises which thrills his supporters even though not surprisingly he's already countered the familiar roadblocks, say for healthcare ... the politics of even a Republican Congress and facts (the CBO estimates, which incidentally were said to be much *better* than the ones run by OMB originally intended to counter the CBO).

So the relevance of this to the thread? The narcissism. Trump is famously not ideological and it would be hard for even his supporters to maintain that he has a sound grasp of policy. All politicians are somewhat narcissistic but when reality intrudes most are able to put that aside to respond with varying effectiveness.

Trump's narcissism may well be more entrenched with the keeping of the promises and applause of the fan base satisfying enough that it overrides effective response to reality ... like for the tweet storm.

Just my take.
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