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Old 03-06-2017, 03:59 PM
 
Location: North Central Florida
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All fun, but you're forgetting:

News flash: in a big city you don't need a car!


Sure you do!...... How else you gonna get the hell outta there?

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Old 03-06-2017, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Florida
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There has not been an American identity for 30 years. This forum should be a clear example of that.

The only thing that brings us together are terrorist attacks and tragedies.

We should really split into different countries. Many would be much happier and there would be clear-cut choices.

The cult can keep the crazy president--if they don't have liberals to hate and blame, they'll turn on each other.
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Old 03-06-2017, 04:40 PM
 
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Is it me or does one characteristic of the United States seem to be an above average number, percent of a country's population, that are rural, paranoid hillbillies?

Oh man, was I laughing good and long at this video. This dude pulls a beer can out of his coat pocket I think, and chugs a drink, to calm his nerves. He seriously believes the Vatican has sent US agents in black vehicals and in a helicopter out to his rural home to come get him.

And he seems to believe President Trump is going break the news on the long held Vatican secret of Planet X coming to destroy earth.

And this dude is armed with a rifle. He calls himself a pacifist but a pacifist wouldn't shoot government agents.




https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lcVqmT8WUTs
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Old 03-06-2017, 04:56 PM
 
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This country was BASED on religious freedom - that was the impetus of settlers coming here to begin with. Many of our founding fathers held agnostic views.
Then how do you reconcile this appeal to a God:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit...f_Independence

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
Blue highlight mine.

Or this by perhaps the greatest Presudent of the United States ever.

Abraham Lincoln's Second Inaugural Address

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Yet, if God wills that it continue, until all the wealth piled by the bond-man's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash, shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said "the judgments of the Lord, are true and righteous altogether"
The traditions of the United States bear historical witness to a long Christian heritage, primarily Protestant, and not one of a majority agnosticism, Hindu, Buddhist, or Muslim.

Furthermore, common law, created by the Normans (French) in England when they ruled over England, was a legal system that drew upon the customs, traditions, and mores of the people of England when rendering judicial judgments.

Common law the USA inherited from the English. And in our legal system judges are supposed to do the same, especially when making judgements that set legal precedence. So, the Christian mores of the nation are not supposed to be entirely dismissed. It's why many of you people hold on to monogamy as a value in marriage rather than allowing American men to marry 4 wives.
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Old 03-06-2017, 09:17 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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On my block, there are Mormons, Catholics, Jews, Muslims, completely non-religious families and who knows what else.

Among these groups are Caucasians, Asians, Hispanics and Middle-easterners. Every summer we have a backyard barbeque together and have a great time. We also all exchange small, inexpensive gifts with each other at Christmas. Maybe we're just lucky, but we get along fine for the most part. We keep an eye on each other's homes when someone is away on vacation, shovel the snow for the older couples who would find it difficult, etc. And this, folks, is in Salt Lake City.
1) I think you are largely exaggerating the reality of your situation.
2) A lot of Home-owners associations get together multiple times a year, usually paid for by HOA dues, and so people show up for the food/drink.

3) But even if what you are saying is true, it doesn't mean anything. Everyone knows that like-minded people are far more likely to get-together, and cooperate with each other, than diverse people.


A street of Mormons, will basically always be happier, more peaceful, more safe, and more social, than a street that is half Mormon and half Muslim.


Adding diversity doesn't improve anything. And even the motto "E Pluribus Unum", declares that we should be a melting pot, to become "one people". Which is a declaration that multiculturalism does not work.


George Washington wanted new immigrants to be split-up and shipped around the country, to force them to assimilate.


So why did the founders want to bring in new immigrants? For the same reason they were importing slaves. They needed the cheap labor.


As John Jay wrote in the Federalist Papers...

The Avalon Project : The Federalist Papers No. 2


"With equal pleasure I have as often taken notice that Providence has been pleased to give this one connected country to one united people--a people descended from the same ancestors, speaking the same language, professing the same religion, attached to the same principles of government, very similar in their manners and customs, and who, by their joint counsels, arms, and efforts, fighting side by side throughout a long and bloody war, have nobly established general liberty and independence."


Diversity as a social good, was a myth creating fairly recently, to further the interests of the globalists. Who literally want to create a one-world government.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txukr5zgHnw
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Old 03-06-2017, 09:43 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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Not true here.
I don't care what color or religion you practice.
If you want to ride quads and dirtbikes, raise hell, shoot guns, race stock cars, go snow boarding, jetskiing, water tubing/wake boarding, go hunting, fishing, blow stuff up with fireworks, build hot rods, you're welcome to my frige full of 34° beer any day. We can be best friends.
All you're really saying is, "If you're like us, and you share our culture, our interests, and our values, then you are welcome."


In essence, that is exactly what I am saying.

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This country was BASED on religious freedom - that was the impetus of settlers coming here to begin with.
That isn't really true. The colonies weren't settled by the same people. And if you look at the individual colonies, they didn't exactly have religious freedom. The Puritans of New England were zealots. And even after the Revolutionary War, many states still had a de-facto state religion.

Oppression to Other Religious Groups - puritan hypocrisy

America didn't really have religious freedom as its imagined today. What you really had, was a country divided into religiously-autonomous regions.

Religion in the Original 13 Colonies - Under God in the Pledge - ProCon.org


Basically, each religion had its own colony, or controlled a region within a colony. And the federal and state governments had almost no power.

At that time, the vast-majority of the people lived more-or-less like the Amish. The largest city in America only had a population of like 30,000 people. And cities back then, just like now, were the only place where diverse people ever came into contact with each other.

And if you understand the history, you'll realize that the cities themselves were even heavily segregated.

Each "block" or "side of town" generally represented different ethnic or religious groups.


It is true that many people came to America because they felt persecuted in Europe. But when they got here, they created religious colonies, and began persecuting everyone else.


Also, the first amendment starts out by saying "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion".

The reason it says Congress, is because the Bill of Rights didn't apply to the states when the Constitution was written. The First Amendment was only a limitation on the Federal government. The states could, and often did, pass many laws to establish religion within their borders.


The idea that the First Amendment is a general right, applied to individual citizens, came about as a result of something called the "Incorporation doctrine", back in 1925.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorp...Bill_of_Rights


Before 1925, there was no such thing as a general right to religious freedom.
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Old 03-06-2017, 09:47 PM
 
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Obama, who has never held a real job in the private sector, goes by the bible of political hatred: “Rules For Radicals” by Saul Alinksy. The book, also revered by Hillary Clinton, is a guide to revving up hatred against political opponents. It explains how to isolate an issue, use it against your opponent, accuse him of being the devil, and get people agitated against him.

The name for this is “community organizing.”

The Democrats used these tactics to pass the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare), even though most of the American people did not want it and they had no Republican support in Congress. They did it by telling us over and over that 30 million people did not have insurance and that was not fair. The implication was that Republicans wanted people to die with no health care. They said as much, and ran a TV commercial showing a Republican dumping an elderly person out of a wheelchair and over a cliff.

The Democrats lied because they did not want a serious discussion of how to improve a free market system; they wanted total control. They got what they wanted, and now we are seeing the fruits of socialism – less affordable healthcare, higher deductibles, a major doctor shortage – all the things other countries have suffered with government takeovers.

Americans must face the fact that today
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Old 03-06-2017, 09:48 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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He calls himself a pacifist but a pacifist wouldn't shoot government agents.
To be fair, being a pacifist doesn't necessarily imply a complete unwillingness to use any force(if that were true, all pacifists would necessarily be anarchists).

Basically, it is not a violation of pacifism to protect yourself, or to protect others. And thus, the "Just-War" theory is not actually a violation of pacifism.

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/pacifism/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_war_theory
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Old 03-06-2017, 09:59 PM
 
Location: Virginia
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All fun, but you're forgetting:

-art festivals & shows
-concerts/music festivals
-baseball games, football games, basketball games, hockey games, soccer games (all with aforementioned hotdogs and beer, plus nachos)
-car shows
-museums
-theatre performances
-bars & breweries
-clubs
-going to parks
-golfing
-automobile races (legal and illegal )
-plain old people watching
-community events
-chatting with neighbors
-zoos/aquariums
-tourist attractions
-a *huge* variety of food/going out to eat
-watching a movie at the theatres (despite Netflix/Amazon prime/etc, people still do it)
-runs/walks/5Ks/10Ks/marathons/etc
-parades & holiday festivals
-city tours, architecture tours, etc
-****, anything you can think of that won't cause bodily or property harm


There's a whole lot to America outside of running around on a farm, shooting guns, drinking beer and grilling food. If that's you're idea of having fun, you haven't lived or had fun yet.


Nah, just kidding, I enjoy those things too. But your way isn't the only way. Different strokes for different folks.



News flash: in a big city you don't need a car!
You've never lived in Los Angeles.
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Old 03-06-2017, 11:27 PM
 
Location: Here and now.
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Do you actually think that these women enjoy being treated that way? I'm offended because I know they don't. They are victims of a barbaric religion and there is no place in this country for religions that don't practice freedom and equality.
I am not, nor have I ever, advocated treating women badly, or as less worthy than men. However, I think you are making some pretty offensive assumptions by equating traditional modest attire with abuse, and making even broader assumptions by assuming there is only one religion that expects such behavior.

If you really want to be helpful, why not just be there for women who reach out for help, and allow them the dignity of deciding for themselves whether or not they are victims?
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