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Old 03-06-2017, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Western PA
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I didn't want him to fail, either, because the repurcussions would affect all of us. But it doesn't look like he's cut out for what it takes to do this job. The question is if the Congress does what it should do to get him out of there before something even worse happens that destroys the country and democracy with it.

 
Old 03-06-2017, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Kansas
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I can see that happening. He forgot what facts were a long time ago too.

Well, well, well... and it even comes from the super not fake Fox news.

“It looks as if the president just for a moment forgot that he was president,” Hayden said on Fox News on Monday. “Why didn’t he simply use the powers of the presidency to ask the acting director of national intelligence, the head of the FBI, to confirm or deny the story he apparently read from Breitbart the evening before?”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ex-cia-di...143941457.html
I don't think we know or not what Trump may be doing behind the scenes. He isn't the big mouth that Obama was/is.

Yeah, just ask someone in the FBI, that's where you'll get the truth!
 
Old 03-06-2017, 02:19 PM
 
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Well, has anybody reminded him?

Last I heard, he was still President. He could still call those that know to his office in the Trump Tower, WH, or even Mar-a-Lago, or where ever he is at the moment, listen to what they say.

If he thinks the CIA, FBI, etc. are lying to him, then he deals with that.

If he thinks they have the right story, he apologizes Obama and sees if he can't salvage something from this scramble of an adminstration.
Trump will never apologize because he thinks that he is never wrong - he doesn't need forgiveness.
 
Old 03-06-2017, 02:22 PM
 
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just incredibly stupid logic on display from liberals ....
the quote in the title comes from michael hayden, former director of the CIA appointed under gw bush.
 
Old 03-06-2017, 02:23 PM
 
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I don't think we know or not what Trump may be doing behind the scenes. He isn't the big mouth that Obama was/is.

Yeah, just ask someone in the FBI, that's where you'll get the truth!
Comey, FBI Director, says there's no truth to Trump's accusations.

If there’s a righteous Marshal of any sort to be found in this tangled nest of spies, swindlers, liars, robber barons, and Russian oligarchs, Comey’s the one.

Can he be POTUS?
 
Old 03-06-2017, 02:28 PM
 
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I am not getting any satisfaction watching him implode. I did not vote for the guy but I don't want the US to go down in flames which this guy can easily do. And I certainly don't wish any ill will on his family. It would be perfect if he resigned for some reason and took his family back to NY.
Interesting, but the issue would likely go deeper than just resigning, there would need to be a rescind order to remove all of his appointments as well.
The process would likely be quite expansive and it could not avert the functional process of dealing with the Republican Senators, who have "rubber stamped his actions", all of whom previously were "not publicly on the trump band wagon, but once its started to roll, they jumped on and then they strapped themselves in.
So the true ripple effect would likely need to go through the entire Right Wing Republican Political Establishments.

American would suffer a tremendous blow especially on the international state, but the reprieve would be, that the Senators would not receive their reprimand of removal, until their election terms come up and they are booted out of office. But surely there could be some level of censure imposed during the interim.

Political Upheaval is not an unheard of thing in this world.
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From this antagonism between the ideals of democracy and the realities of power have risen four great political upheavals in American history.
We slyly laugh about it to have happen or happening in other places around the world, but remained unaware that it can happen here "again" in our system. We are however, far better equipped to recover today, than we may have been in a previous time, if for no other valued reasons it would be our Constitution that would save us. It was a political upheaval that led to the establishment of America as an Independent Nation. It has transformed through lots of malice, malevolent motive and conduct, and many irregularity of manner as well as good works within the mix, but much still endures much that disrupt the premise of democracy; still it moves onward, but it must resolve itself always into the process of becoming a more truer democracy in each phase of its evolving to become a better nation and better in being a global leader.

It would too usher in a New Respect for the Constitution and also an adherence to its guidelines which would force a type of reset that would begin a cycle of "equality" that it was truly meant to present and represent.
That would not only push change in the political arena, but changing the political arena also changes the civic social arena, and changing that changed the economic dynamic of how our system functions in relations to business and citizenry, then we could work our way to a better model for how capitalism works in this Democracy, thus so... Pushing in an era where Economic Equilibrium become central, but also where our system honors its National Constitution and that of the States, and it will force the states to meet the regards of care they claim in their State Constitutions for and of their people.

Things in life come to and through many things to get to the points of change, who know what lies in the future as to potential of upheaval of such that may be the means that American Transforms itself ?
 
Old 03-06-2017, 04:01 PM
 
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tRump's expiration date is about 6 months from now.
Well, it may not be quite as soon as 6 months from now, but the handwriting is on the wall that Agent Orange is decompensating at such a rapid rate that he will surely be playing handball with his own excrement long before his term is over. While I can't predict exactly when the 25th Amendment will be invoked--trust me--it will be invoked and this guy will wind up in a rubber room, albeit one that is decorated with gold trimmings in order to try to ameliorate his psychoses...to some extent.
 
Old 03-06-2017, 04:03 PM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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Trump is shockingly stupid man, he is damaging the USA, he is damaging our position on the international stage.

Truer words have never been recorded in these forums.
 
Old 03-06-2017, 04:38 PM
 
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It would too usher in a New Respect for the Constitution and also an adherence to its guidelines which would force a type of reset that would begin a cycle of "equality" that it was truly meant to present and represent.
Then you must support Trump because that is all he is focused on. Obey the constitution, enforce the existing laws enacted by congress, and remove the unequal treatment of govt. over it's citizens. That is what Trump is all about. There is no Muslim inequality, women inequality or Latino inequality for Americans.

P.S. - If you think your idealized view of the way govt. should work is feasible - think again. Trump is the only thing standing in the way of govt. controlling every aspect of our lives.
 
Old 03-06-2017, 05:15 PM
 
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Then you must support Trump because that is all he is focused on. Obey the constitution, enforce the existing laws enacted by congress, and remove the unequal treatment of govt. over it's citizens. That is what Trump is all about. There is no Muslim inequality, women inequality or Latino inequality for Americans.

P.S. - If you think your idealized view of the way govt. should work is feasible - think again. Trump is the only thing standing in the way of govt. controlling every aspect of our lives.
Learn what the word "Governance" then learn to consider that a Democracy remains being a Democracy by and through its forward progress of REGULATORY GOVERNANCE, which is supported by Majority determinations. Not this ANTI REGULATION MESS THAT TRUMP IS PUSHING.

This free for all, go at it any way one can imagine, is not suitable, nor practical.... Trump hates regulations because he thinks he's some Royal Figure who can do anything he wants. Him living in his house decorated as if he is some Eastern European Royalty has made him more delusional than he is.
The Constitution has been an INTERPRETATIVE DOCUMENT, Subject to Amendments and Subject to Clarification of Modification, by the Congress and the Supreme Courts.....

If Republicans want to live in an Ungoverned society, then they just as well pack up and go try and conquer some country and try to force their dictatorship upon it, because they won't get to do it in America. The days of the old white dictatorship over slaves, and their controls and manipulations over poor whites as being indentured's, is not coming back and it certainly won't be dominating the American General Public.

That Right Wing Confederate Mentality should have been wipes out after the Civil War, Lincoln made only one mistake and that was to allow them to survive. They've been wreaking havoc in America every since. The best thing that can happen is the Republican Constituency wakes up and start removing Republican Leadership. The Democrats need to start now, with nationwide campaigns that put out the truth of Republican Ideology, and let the public remove every republican from any and every position of power.

Maybe when the people wake up and see what crazy stuff they come up with to try and avoid health care for the poor, yes that includes poor whites, working poor whites, poor minorities and working poor minorities, when people wake up to the right wing madness and get tired of it, then people will wake up and take action to rid this nation of the virus of Right wing Ideology.
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