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You don't have a Constitutional right to look at someone else's tax data. In fact, unless authorized to do so, the law explicitly forbids it.
So when I said 'this is not a Trump specific point' what word did you (more than just you specifically) not follow? I don't care about his taxes. But the president is not entitled to indefinite privacy, especially if his power becomes greater than it should.
Feel free to tell me how this was a traitor, anti-American post since I didn't say "all hail God emperor Trump" enough.
So which is it? You are lying or you were just ignorant of Hillary and her crimes?
I was lying about what exactly? What are you even talking about? Are you not able to follow the discussion? I'll summarize for you since you don't seem able to keep up:
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Originally Posted by skepticratic
If a despot has secrets, the secrets should be exposed. That's not a Trump specific point, but a general answer to your question. Privacy is important, and I think public official are entitled to it up until the point where they violate their rights of their constituents.
I said:
Quote:
Originally Posted by HockeyMac18
That is the argument, yes. And I think it was the argument that many used against Hillary.
And I agree, leaks (even if orchestrated illegally) can benefit the American people.
I don't care about Hillary and was not a supporter of her, so you can continue to make this into an argument about that (which I never even made). This could be about any political figure or any person in power.
I AM saying, however, that people that used this argument as a justification of any leaks against her (which was used very often in 2016 - even by Trump and his team) can't be upset about people wanting to see Trump's tax returns leak, too. It is the same exact justification.
So when I said 'this is not a Trump specific point' what word did you (more than just you specifically) not follow? I don't care about his taxes. But the president is not entitled to indefinite privacy, especially if his power becomes greater than it should.
Feel free to tell me how this was a traitor, anti-American post since I didn't say "all hail God emperor Trump" enough.
His tax returns are not the purview of the American people. He is not required by law to provide such, nor is there any grounds for you to demand such. Again, you are spewing rhetoric. You have no law supporting you, you have no logical premise to establish a position from. This is why you are now back tracking and starting to "generalize" through vague claims.
My advice... try not to comment on topics you have no clue what you are talking about on. That way, people don't have to waste their time pushing your invalid arguments into the trash only to have you move off into a position of vague superiority.
Does it bother you to live in a reality where his comments magically don't involve him encouraging illegal actions by another nation state? Yeah, read those quotes, and think about them.
Interesting question.
Hillary Clinton breaks US rules and laws by illegally operating a private email server for classified State Department Business.
Russians may have accessed said server because it lacked proper administration and governmental administration. Outgoing mail would have immediately exposed it as a non .gov server.
Who is the law breaker and which country's laws applied?
I was lying about what exactly? What are you even talking about? Are you not able to follow the discussion? I'll summarize for you since you don't seem able to keep up:
I said:
And I agree, leaks (even if orchestrated illegally) can benefit the American people.
I don't care about Hillary and was not a supporter of her, so you can continue to make this into an argument about that (which I never even made). This could be about any political figure or any person in power.
I AM saying, however, that people that used this argument as a justification of any leaks against her (which was used very often in 2016 - even by Trump and his team) can't be upset about people wanting to see Trump's tax returns leak, too. It is the same exact justification.
Again, I showed that your support for his position is BS. You are attempting to argue apples to oranges and you were feeding off that posters invalid position.
There is nothing "alike" about them.
Hillary committed a crime and was being pushed to reveal her data because she was caught in such a crime.
That is, she committed a crime against the US and American people and we had a right to know! It was a legally valid demand.
There is nothing legally valid about demanding Trumps tax returns. There have been no crimes committed, no evidence of such, nothing!!!
What there has been is a bunch of lying political hacks making a lot of accusations, but having NOTHING to back up their lying claims.
So again, were you lying to jump on the bandwagon or were you just ignorant of the Hillary issue and so you assumed that the poster was making a valid comparison?
Again, there is no out for you here. Either you were not knowledgeable enough about these issues, or.. you were simply lying to promote politics.
Hillary Clinton breaks US rules and laws by illegally operating a private email server for classified State Department Business.
Russians may have accessed said server because it lacked proper administration and governmental administration. Outgoing mail would have immediately exposed it as a non .gov server.
Who is the law breaker and which country's laws applied?
Why don't you try answering it instead of "but hillaries email". Seriously all you do is deflect, deny, and mislead.
Hillary Clinton breaks US rules and laws by illegally operating a private email server for classified State Department Business.
Russians may have accessed said server because it lacked proper administration and governmental administration. Outgoing mail would have immediately exposed it as a non .gov server.
Who is the law breaker and which country's laws applied?
and yet the FBI said she was innocent and that they found no prosecutable evidence despite your claims to the contrary. FBI Director Comey Says
NO EVIDENCE HILLARY BROKE THE LAW
and there you go your entire story is crushed , killed stone dead. You have been proved wrong and no amount of crying will change the reality that the Federal Bureau of Investigations found Hillary innocent .
Again, I showed that your support for his position is BS. You are attempting to argue apples to oranges and you were feeding off that posters invalid position.
There is nothing "alike" about them.
Hillary committed a crime and was being pushed to reveal her data because she was caught in such a crime.
That is, she committed a crime against the US and American people and we had a right to know! It was a legally valid demand.
There is nothing legally valid about demanding Trumps tax returns. There have been no crimes committed, no evidence of such, nothing!!!
What there has been is a bunch of lying political hacks making a lot of accusations, but having NOTHING to back up their lying claims.
So again, were you lying to jump on the bandwagon or were you just ignorant of the Hillary issue and so you assumed that the poster was making a valid comparison?
Again, there is no out for you here. Either you were not knowledgeable enough about these issues, or.. you were simply lying to promote politics.
Which is it?
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. We have no idea what Trump's taxes would tell us - and that is the point. If someone was able to leak them because they revealed something that the American people should know about, that is the same justification of the leaks against HRC and the DNC.
It is also a general argument that can be made against literally any political figure. Yes, I'd even support someone committing a federal crime to leak that information if that information is something the American people should know about.
Again, I don't care about Hillary. If she committed a crime, she should be prosecuted. As anyone should.
I'm saying the justification of the leaks against her and the DNC is the same argument for wanting Trump's taxes to be leaked. Were you aware of what was happening at the DNC before the leaks (I'm guessing no, unless you had hacked them yourself)? Were you happy to know about this information after it leaked?
You don't seem to be getting the simple point made originally by skepticratic, so this discussion is probably going to go nowhere.
Last edited by HockeyMac18; 03-06-2017 at 02:45 PM..
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