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Old 03-06-2017, 08:37 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Originally Posted by The Dark Enlightenment View Post
Stupid is sticking with your misconception about what a word means even after you've been shown a dictionary definition to the contrary.



He's right.


Carson doubles-down: Slaves were
well if you are going to play coy and be that obtuse. The U.S. Constitution does not define a slave as a person, therefore a slave cannot be an immigrant (since an immigrant is by definition, a person)

 
Old 03-06-2017, 08:39 PM
 
Location: Japan
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I know many young and old black doctors and never ever would they have formed their lips to say anything as he did today about our ancestors!
He was praising the strength and will your ancestors had to persevere even under the extreme hardships of slavery.

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Old 03-06-2017, 08:42 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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He was praising the strength and will your ancestors had to persevere even under the extreme hardships of slavery.
Not exactly, he was claiming they came here of their own free will searching for the American dream.
 
Old 03-06-2017, 08:44 PM
 
Location: Springfield, Ohio
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Slaves:immigrants
Carson:common sense
 
Old 03-06-2017, 08:51 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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He was praising the strength and will your ancestors had to persevere even under the extreme hardships of slavery.

You sound like a racist 6-year-old.
No they sound like the average person in any random Black community today. Go in any barber shop from coast to coast and you will for sure hear Ben Carson's name followed by C-o-o-n
 
Old 03-06-2017, 08:52 PM
 
Location: Japan
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Not exactly, he was claiming they came here of their own free will searching for the American dream.
No. He talked about immigrants like those who came to Ellis Island, and how hard they worked. Then he moved on to talk about immigrants who were slaves, and how they "worked even harder for less". He said that slaves also dreamed that their descendants might have better lives.


Watch it for yourself:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxxSTrBn-qc


He does not claim that slaves came to America voluntarily.
 
Old 03-06-2017, 09:00 PM
 
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im·mi·grant
noun
a person who comes to live permanently in a foreign country.

The definitions doesn't say anything about voluntary or involuntary.

good point:

its the same when illegals or coyotes bring their children or other people by force to the U.S. by human trafficking....those people are immigrants......it doesn't matter if they are legal or illegal.
 
Old 03-06-2017, 09:03 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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No. He talked about immigrants like those who came to Ellis Island, and how hard they worked. Then he moved on to talk about immigrants who were slaves, and how they "worked even harder for less". He said that slaves also dreamed that their descendants might have better lives.


Watch it for yourself:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxxSTrBn-qc


He does not claim that slaves came to America voluntarily.
The problem with this argument is that we are both trying to interpret what he meant, which near of us can do.

We can only go by what he said, which at best, had many missteps and sounded jumbled.

To you it sounded one way, to me, it didnt. To me , it sounds like he tried to make an overly poetic argument and missed the mark and ust sounded out of touch.

His argument was that those slaves dreamed of a better life, and I believe they did, but I doubt it was in America.
 
Old 03-06-2017, 09:12 PM
 
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Ben Carson Calls Slaves

“That’s what America is about, a land of dreams and opportunity,” Carson said, USA Today reports. “There were other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships, worked even longer, even harder for less.”

You can not make this stuff up!
Ben Carson is of the far right-wing where it is now considered unacceptable to use the word "slave" - which if you listen to the entire video he managed to do only once referring to a "slave ship."

The reason? It is folks like Obama who doggone it are responsible for any racial tension seen during the last few years. And teachers and textbooks that discuss conditions faced by slaves in the pre-Civil War South or Black Americans in later years are simply exacerbating "the problem."

We would all be so much better off if the "slave" word was never mentioned for folks would simply forget and all would be well.

At least that's the theory. I nearly choked the first time I got that lecture. But they were serious.

Carson is simply going with the program and using the POC language.

That's all.
 
Old 03-06-2017, 09:12 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Ben Carson Calls Slaves

“That’s what America is about, a land of dreams and opportunity,” Carson said, USA Today reports. “There were other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships, worked even longer, even harder for less.”

You can not make this stuff up!
He's forgotten who he is, where he came from, what he is and how he ended up in America. Somebody needs to remind this gentleman that he comes from a long line of slaves. Rubbing elbows with white people isn't going to change that, and if he gets too uppity he will be reminded rather quickly.

Slaves weren't immigrants. They didn't come here out of their own free will. They were considered property.

What a prick.
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