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Old 03-13-2017, 03:27 PM
 
Location: Gilbert, Arizona
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Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge View Post
For the most part those members have the money. Why not have them foot the bill for the poorest of their constituents?
My point was, since most of those nutcases are preaching the free market like the bible. I'd say let them deal with the free market whether they have the money or not. Most of them are older so it will not be cheap since they'll be in a "high risk" pool.

 
Old 03-13-2017, 03:29 PM
 
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This is even better than most republicans hoped for. More dead and more suffering - and, with the tax breaks built in for millionaires, that means MORE MONEY for those who are not dead and/or suffering.

This is exactly what the GOP wants. Fewer poor people.

I just wonder how this dovetails with Trumps promise to not forget the "forgotten man"?
 
Old 03-13-2017, 03:30 PM
 
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So your smart solution is to drop people off of insurance completely? Stupid solution.

SINGLE PAYER is the solution. Outlaw all the damn insurance companies squeezing everyone, getting richer at everyone else's expense.
You don't need to outlaw them....Create competition by having EVERYONE pay into Medicare, and private companies continue to exist and can have employer provides insurance like they do in Canada and the UK.
 
Old 03-13-2017, 03:30 PM
 
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Simple, levy a progressive tax.
Like I said, a plan where I get to pay for myself and others for the same coverage.
 
Old 03-13-2017, 03:30 PM
 
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Once again, I do not support this, we need UHC but this takes for granted that nothing changes. Obamacare is going to collapse which changes everything.
It doesn't take for granted that nothing changes. It's simply showing that the legislation, both Obamacare and Don'tcare, can't stop the collapse of our healthcare system, but they can put the freefall into slow motion. Our legislators need to communicate just how bad our healthcare system is to the American people.
 
Old 03-13-2017, 03:30 PM
 
Location: Central Mexico and Central Florida
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Ryan endorses the CBO report while the WH rejects it.

Fun times ahead!!
 
Old 03-13-2017, 03:31 PM
 
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Both systems are LOSERS.

ACA was bad, but this is most likely worse.
Pretty much. Take a compromised hacked together system and make it worse.
 
Old 03-13-2017, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Gilbert, Arizona
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Like I said, a plan where I get to pay for myself and others for the same coverage.
Everyone gets the same plan. Everyone pays taxes. Taxes are heaviest among the richest, lowest among the poorest.

If children are "dependent" then obviously that's a different story. There's plenty of special cases to really fully answer your question. Not everyone has your situation but they also need health coverage.

The bottom line is, as long as it's reasonable coverage for a reasonable price, the whole "fairness" question doesn't really matter.
 
Old 03-13-2017, 03:33 PM
 
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24 million fewer covered over the next decade.

Trumpcare. It trumps actual care.
 
Old 03-13-2017, 03:33 PM
 
Location: New York, NY
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First off, among the purported 20 million who obtained health insurance through the ACA, 16 million are on Medicaid, and if ACA were repealed today, they’d still be on Medicaid. Also, of those 16 million, approximately 75% qualified for Medicaid before the ACA. The only reason they didn’t have Medicaid before the ACA was because they hadn’t applied for it. They had no healthcare needs and only applied after the ACA because of the proposed penalty. Among the nearly 5 million who have subsidized private insurance through the ACA, they have insurance plans with $6,000 deductibles.
These people are the poor and don’t even have a net worth of $6,000. It would
make more sense for these patients to stop wasting their money on their portion
of the insurance premiums and have no insurance. They could pay cash for their
healthcare needs and if they have a catastrophic illness, apply for Medicaid.

It's time to stop the lies. Obamacare is the biggest lie and POS forced
on us. We need to demand ALL citizens including those in the
government participate in the same plan.
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