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Old 03-14-2017, 05:57 PM
 
Location: Haiku
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No they don't.
Polls: Obamacare getting more popular - Business Insider

Poll: Majority of Americans want to keep Obamacare

 
Old 03-14-2017, 06:01 PM
 
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At what cost to the government and the citizenry, not to mention the quality of care for everyone involved?
You can look up life expectancy in these countries and costs of health care. People aren't kicking off dead and their costs are all lower.

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I won't go into the litany of issues each one of the nations you bring up has with respect to Universal healthcare. Suffice it to say there are issues and costs that the U.S. citizenry may not be happy or even comfortable with.

Those questions and issues need to be brought up honestly and the true cost both physical and financial need to be openly debated so people can make an informed decision. Do I think that'll ever happen?
Not a freaking chance in hell as there's too many pockets that want filling...
I'm the one that has demanded honesty. I've argued for years that Obama's dishonesty hurt our chances for what we need.
 
Old 03-14-2017, 06:03 PM
 
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When was the last time you selected an MRI provider based on cost? And more so, on the radiologist that makes the diagnosis? Most of those are in India - the MRI image is sent to a radiologist doctor in India who examines it and sends back the diagnosis. You can do that, find the cheapest one. But you are never given that chance. It is all done behind your back.
Sometimes it helps to take the time to ask and look around. We have a place that does MRI's much cheaper than the hospital, and so going with cash or high deductible it makes a lot of sense. The professional component of an MRI is typically about 20-25% of the overall cost.
 
Old 03-14-2017, 06:05 PM
 
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This is dishonest. Fake news if you like.

A majority of Americans want to keep the Affordable Care Act in some manner

"In some manner". Yes people want people with pre existing conditions to get health care. No question. That does NOT mean the ACA is popular.
 
Old 03-14-2017, 06:06 PM
 
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That logic doesn't make sense. They can't raise premiums indefinitely, there is trade-off between supply and demand, and there is an optimum they can charge that generates the maximum profit.
In a hundred years a gallon of milk will cost $30, a typical medical office visit $700, and our National Debt will be $200T. There should be no end to this, barring loss of a world war or an asteroid hit to Kansas.
 
Old 03-14-2017, 06:18 PM
 
Location: Haiku
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This is dishonest. Fake news if you like.

A majority of Americans want to keep the Affordable Care Act in some manner

"In some manner". Yes people want people with pre existing conditions to get health care. No question. That does NOT mean the ACA is popular.
And different polls say different things. The context of my statement is whether ACA would survive if the Pubs "let it implode" as Trump as advocated. I believe it has enough support that it wouldn't.
 
Old 03-14-2017, 06:22 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Here is how you know this bill will not pass.

Ryan is calling it TrumpCare and Trump is calling it RyanCare.
 
Old 03-14-2017, 06:23 PM
 
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And different polls say different things. The context of my statement is whether ACA would survive if the Pubs "let it implode" as Trump as advocated. I believe it has enough support that it wouldn't.
If we aren't going to force the IRS to collect the fines it's going to fall apart. There is no way for it to fund itself. Unless we get rid of the profit side it's going to go up and up and up and people are just going to drop their policies especially with no tax implications.
 
Old 03-14-2017, 06:27 PM
 
Location: Twin Falls Idaho
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http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politi...o-premiums-age

Laid out pretty clearly.


One example:

A poor older person: Age 64 with $26,500 annual income.

Currently pays $1,700 for insurance under Obamacare

Would pay $14,600 under Trumpcare. Over half their annual income.


Who cares..they're old....lettum die off, right???


Seniors vote..and most have limited incomes....this bill is DOA....and so are a lot of the people who depend on public healthcare..ie..medicare.
 
Old 03-14-2017, 06:36 PM
 
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In a hundred years a gallon of milk will cost $30, a typical medical office visit $700, and our National Debt will be $200T. There should be no end to this, barring loss of a world war or an asteroid hit to Kansas.
By itself $30 doesn't mean a thing. If the price of milk rises 10x but so do wages, everything stays the same.
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