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Old 03-21-2017, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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I do not believe it was ever proposed.
It's part of the amendments to ram the bill through. All of them are.

 
Old 03-21-2017, 11:38 AM
 
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It's part of the amendments to ram the bill through. All of them are.
Work requirement yes, where you got for age 50-65 is anyone's guess.
As a matter of fact the template for an able bodied adult without dependents is used for food assistance and defined as a non disabled adult aged 18-49. Fifty and over are exempt from work requirements.
 
Old 03-21-2017, 12:44 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Work requirement yes, where you got for age 50-65 is anyone's guess.
As a matter of fact the template for an able bodied adult without dependents is used for food assistance and defined as a non disabled adult aged 18-49. Fifty and over are exempt from work requirements.
I got that through CNN, CBS and ABC with the ammendments to try to get more support behind the bill in the House to pass it.
 
Old 03-21-2017, 01:10 PM
 
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Yep, it seems that Ryan is more afraid of the far right than the opposing party. I think he's done either way. The Freedom Caucus was going to turn on him no matter what. Nothing is good enough for them. Nothing is far right enough to satisfy them.
Isn't that what got Boehner beat all to heck--
Made him totally screw progress on any bill to a halt if the Tea Party didn't approve???

The GOP has allowed itself to be influenced by the most narrow of viewpoints rather than a wider application of their long-term conservative policies...
I don't mean go to the Democratic agenda but there ARE moderate Republicans in the House and Senate---
They just apparently don't hold much sway...
 
Old 03-21-2017, 01:12 PM
 
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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Another HC reform pathway seldom discussed is to utilitize HC or parts of HC like hospitals. Utilities can be a nice blend of private for profit endeavor tempered by public good. There has to be in place a large and expensive infrastructure/facility, privately owned and managed. So some profit can certainly make sense. Unbridled, no. And that is where the public input comes in.
Yes, it has long been recognized and accepted that Utilities must be regulated for the public good. And now that corporate interests have taken firm control of "healthcare", there is an even greater need for tight controls there. I would favor this idea, in theory, over a completely government-run system, though I'm not sure how workable it would be.

There is massive corruption and fraud deeply ingrained in an industry that has built itself a blank check, AKA insurance system covering almost everything. Thus, pricing has conveniently been removed from the public's radar. That corruption must be dealt with before any significant reforms take effect. They built a corrupt system and have milked it without limits at will for for many years. Milked it dry and, finally, people are speaking up and fighting back. Their party is over.
 
Old 03-21-2017, 01:16 PM
 
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Work requirement yes, where you got for age 50-65 is anyone's guess.
As a matter of fact the template for an able bodied adult without dependents is used for food assistance and defined as a non disabled adult aged 18-49. Fifty and over are exempt from work requirements.
This is not a "work" requirement--
It is about LOOKING for work--correct--doing active job search???

If ALL these people are flushed into looking for work and registering for work and not finding anything
Then Trump's unemployed numbers will rise in many of these rural areas and in some urban ones...
Will they make people take a job more than 50 miles away and spend money on gas they don't have???
So much of this GOP agenda is really a harsh application of Puritain religious doctrine from the Massachusetts Bay Colony 400+ yrs ago....
This is just a Protestant form of Sharia...
 
Old 03-21-2017, 01:21 PM
 
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I got that through CNN, CBS and ABC with the ammendments to try to get more support behind the bill in the House to pass it.

Obviously work requirements would not be limited to 50-65 year olds, and they might even be exempted. There is nothing in any of the links that states what you posted and are defending. It would be irrational to even consider and no one has.
 
Old 03-21-2017, 01:29 PM
 
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This is not a "work" requirement--
It is about LOOKING for work--correct--doing active job search???

If ALL these people are flushed into looking for work and registering for work and not finding anything
Then Trump's unemployed numbers will rise in many of these rural areas and in some urban ones...
Will they make people take a job more than 50 miles away and spend money on gas they don't have???
So much of this GOP agenda is really a harsh application of Puritain religious doctrine from the Massachusetts Bay Colony 400+ yrs ago....
This is just a Protestant form of Sharia...
They will have to set up rules as they have for food assistance in many states. If they want people off they will make the rules difficult to adhere to. This happened with welfare to work under Clinton, they had transportation problems, could not physically do the jobs, etc.
 
Old 03-21-2017, 01:31 PM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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Isn't that what got Boehner beat all to heck--
Made him totally screw progress on any bill to a halt if the Tea Party didn't approve???

The GOP has allowed itself to be influenced by the most narrow of viewpoints rather than a wider application of their long-term conservative policies...
I don't mean go to the Democratic agenda but there ARE moderate Republicans in the House and Senate---
They just apparently don't hold much sway...
I think it's partially because the moderate Republicans (in the House) are the ones who are most vulnerable because they generally come from swing districts. The Freedom Caucus people are the ones who come from districts that are like virtually 100% Republican (ie: very rural and very, very White).

The biggest irony of all this though is that passing this bill will give the Democrats a ridiculous amount of ammo for the 2018 midterms. Ryan is worried about the Freedom Caucus but he's completely ignoring the possibility of a 2006 style Democratic surge next year. I predict the Republican majority in the House will be down into the single digits come January 2019 ... and it will be a literal standstill, NOTHING will be done. Oh and Ryan will likely lose his speakership to one of the lunatics.
 
Old 03-21-2017, 01:37 PM
 
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It really makes no sense. Donald Trump says they have to pass this in order to pass tax cuts. It would have been a far better idea to do tax cuts first.
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