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Old 03-09-2017, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Haiku
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But how do you pay for those goodies without a mandate? You need the younger and healthier people buying in to balance out the scales or you have affordable prices for the sick. The ACA didn't really solve the problem and this new bill won't either.
You pay for it with taxes. Nobody has a choice and we already have a progressive tax system so no more need to create byzantine tax rebate systems. Everyone is covered at a minimum level. If you want more coverage you buy it on your own dime from a private company. It is called Medicare. It works. Just throw out ACA and put everyone on Medicare. Bernie Sanders worked out the tax increase - about $1000 for a 50k income, higher for higher wage earners. Far less than Obamacare premiums so you are saving money overall.

It would be good for America but the Pubs will never do it. They don't believe in doing what is good for America or Americans. They want to protect and preserve the massive insurance industry.

 
Old 03-09-2017, 03:49 PM
 
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I agree with you on that. Here we are with another administration and still sending our troops to and cash to the ME.
How long before our elected officials learn that there is no winning this fight?
The question is, when are we going to quit voting for the same failures over and over?

We keep putting them back why should they feel the need to change?
 
Old 03-09-2017, 03:50 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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But even some of the Democrats have a redeeming feature or two....such as agreement with Trump on trade.

I've yet to see Ryan's redeeming feature.
Ryan gives me the creeps...even by politician standards.
 
Old 03-09-2017, 03:51 PM
 
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umm you might want to actually read it.

the average income family loses out on this version, but much more importantly your long term healthcare SECURITY crashes off a cliff.
The Individual Mandate ans Employer Mandate is removed... the bill is awesome.

You seem to have a pretty firm stance in not wanting ACA to change. I don't get this. But that's okay.
 
Old 03-09-2017, 03:52 PM
 
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Ryan gives me the creeps...even by politician standards.
I am curious as to why he does?
 
Old 03-09-2017, 03:56 PM
 
Location: NYC
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Democrats on Wednesday broadly blasted a proposed Obamacare replacement bill after learning the federal government would lose about $400 million in lost tax revenue over the next decade due to a sweet break for health insurers.


Rep. Sander Levin, D-Mich., said that the tax break related to executive pay underscores the fact that the Republican replacement bill is "the beginning of a huge giveaway to the very, very wealthy," and the end of insurance coverage to millions of lower-income people.


"We're starting off... with essentially a giveaway to insurance executives," Levin said.
Outrage over $400 million tax break for insurance executives under GOP Obamacare replacement plan


and the GOP is not even united behind this POS plan!

I always said the republican party is the party of "No Plan", all they ever do is gripe and vilify, but have 'NEVER' had a good plan to counter whatever they are griping against! They have had 7 years to develop a better replacement for Obamacare and still haven't!
Their plan is no plan
 
Old 03-09-2017, 04:02 PM
 
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I got screwed by your idol when he lied and I lost my healthcare plan.

Anything else has to be an improvement.
So you say.
Can you please detail how you lost your plan? What kind of plan was it anyway. Catastrophic? High deductibles? Did your employer cease to offer insurance?
Please describe; then perhaps those of us who will soon be losing theirs can compare and learn from you.
 
Old 03-09-2017, 04:04 PM
 
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Fake news !! This can't be true, Trump is all for the working class people and would never do anything to help out the top 1% !


I am going to have to gloat a little when some of our ardent Trump supporters on here realize they have been screwed by their idol. It isn't too far off.
We shouldn't be gloating about people getting screwed over. I understand your sentiment (the "I told you so" instinct is strong), but we should remember that real people will be affected by this.

Instead of gloating, contact your local politicians and let them know that this is not OK. The ACA wasn't perfect by any means, but this doesn't seem to be an improvement (and could actually be worse for many people).
 
Old 03-09-2017, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Then why is it still in business? If it's so awful, why doesn't everyone just choose OM? Because perhaps it's not quite as awful as you think and manages to offer some things that OM doesn't. Different strokes for different folks. No one's saying it saves the taxpayer money but if the equation is the taxpayer pays the same money for MA as OM, but the consumer gets more services, and thousands of jobs are created by MA, then what's so bad about it? Seems like more choice has helped these people.

Besides, come on, you can find plenty of articles about mismanagement and fraud in traditional Medicare as well. And yet you wouldn't argue Medicare should be abolished or taken completely off the gov't's plate. That's because any system can be improved and tightened, including Medicare and including Medicare Advantage. Doesn't still make them valuable options for many people.
The program is mandated by law. Insurers love them, and healthy recipients like the plans because of the 'extras' you get in some geographic areas, like gym memberships.

Medicare advantage programs cost the taxpayer about 14% more per enrollee than traditional medicare, part of the reason for that is that for years no one scrutinized the way advantage plans were assigning 'risk' to enrollees. They get paid a monthly amount for each enrollee. The amount is based on cost of service in the geographic area and patient risk, but they were rating almost everyone as high risk so as to increase the payments they got from medicare. Obama put new rules into effect that stopped some of that but doing so also led to months of bad press about how Obama was stealing billions from medicare recipients.

They aren't all bad, but some of them are awful and will fight you tooth and nail to obtain specialist referrals. My husband had a Humana advantage plan at one time and it was horrible, they challenged every request that his PCP for approval t see a specialist and when he ended up with a growth in his salivary gland Humana denied payment for him to see the oral surgeon his PCP referred him to by telling him that they don't cover 'dental care', he had to file a complaint with medicare in order to get that one settled. Medicare Advantage | The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation
 
Old 03-09-2017, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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It is a common benefit. Problem is not everyone knows about it or uses it.
you are probably right, I doubt if most people read their healthcare benefits booklet.
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