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Old 03-07-2017, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Uninsured people drive up the health care costs for everyone because they all end up in emergency and those costs end up being factored into the cost of doing business. Hospitals don't absorb those costs, they pass them on to the rest of us who do have insurance.
And illegal aliens who habitually drive with no insurance drive up the costs for everyone else....but I don't hear Liberals complaining about that.
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Old 03-07-2017, 09:59 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Many people retire before age 65. Social Security can start at age 62 but people also retire before age 62 before they are eligible for Social Security retirement. Some have a pension that starts earlier and/or they have investment income.
Give us the exact breakdown of how many retirees file a tax return as a percentage of total tax filers.
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Old 03-07-2017, 10:00 AM
 
Location: H-Tine, Texas
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Answer the question...

If he bought a catastrophic policy which covers that, why should he worry?
Uh. You butted in and were completely off base.

Wipe the egg from your face and move along.
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Old 03-07-2017, 10:04 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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I guess if we just punish those people by letting their sick children die, that will show them, amirite?
Isn't that a natural consequence of their own choices and actions? Why are some but not all forced to bear the responsibility and cost for others' self-made choices under the threat of property seizure and imprisonment? How is that a free society in any way, shape, or form?

Good grief, that's an exact description of SLAVERY.
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Old 03-07-2017, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Canada
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Pay close attention to what that scatter plot chart tells us... Note that the highest levels of government benefits and services are provided by countries (Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Belgium) in which taxes are flat (everyone pays the same tax rate) or regressive (shown as the negative values, meaning a greater tax burden is placed on those with lower incomes). And note where the USA falls on the graph. The USA has the most progressive tax system and therefore is least able to fund progressives' societal goals because the tax base is too narrow, and therefore generates insufficient tax revenue.
The U.S. also has the highest income inequality between rich and poor in the developed world, and on par with some third world countries.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...ncome_equality
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Old 03-07-2017, 10:10 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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I suggest we extend Medicare to cover everyone.
How would that work? Medicare requires a minimum 10 year period of prepaid premiums (in the form of the Medicare tax) before one is even eligible for benefits. And then even after that 10 years worth of prepayments minimum is met, Medicare charges monthly premiums, only covers 80%, and prescriptions aren't covered unless one buys an additional policy.
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Old 03-07-2017, 10:16 AM
 
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Isn't that a natural consequence of their own choices and actions? Why are some but not all forced to bear the responsibility and cost for others' self-made choices under the threat of property seizure and imprisonment? How is that a free society in any way, shape, or form?

Good grief, that's an exact description of SLAVERY.


You are okay with walking over dead children in the streets. Gotcha. Most decent people in First World countries are not.
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Old 03-07-2017, 10:17 AM
 
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It's a fact based on food stamps? Let's look at Disability, which includes Medicare coverage.
Sure... Still more Dems than Republicans by about 2 to 1:

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Chart via an Iranian-Swedish economist, MA in Economics from Stockholm University, PhD in Public Policy from the University of Chicago: https://tino.us/2012/02/are-welfare-...ly-republican/

Data source: https://www.maxwell.syr.edu/campbell...rged_Data_Set/
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Old 03-07-2017, 10:21 AM
 
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I agree with you about smokers, alcohol and drugs but cannot see how you add the obese into this.
Here's why...

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/obesity...ealth-effects/
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Old 03-07-2017, 10:24 AM
 
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Looking at it in another way: What about an individual's health problems that occur because of environmental and job factors? We know certain things cause cancer, for example. Who is then responsible for the cost?
Whoever caused the environmental or job factor. Surely you haven't missed the huge settlements awarded in courts of law on exactly this issue?
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