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View Poll Results: Take them down or leave them up?
Take them down. They're offensive. 133 36.14%
Leave them up. It's history. 235 63.86%
Voters: 368. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-09-2017, 09:25 AM
 
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Originally Posted by hitpausebutton2 View Post
Too much to read, but im peitioning a snowflake bill to prevent anymore confederate statues be taking down. Its history, take a history lesson on why they are place were they are now. Learn it, live it and respect it. Been up for 200 years and now you want to take it down. Its becoming a race bait conversation vs a history lesson now.
And I vote to take it down. The only reason Confederate soldiers were put in places of honor was as a middle finger to DC. Why? Because in those days, it represented "the federal government wants equality for Blacks, and we want Jim Crow". Nowadays, the "Lost Cause" myth is peddled everywhere. There is a difference between history and flat out honoring the dishonorable. Put it in a museum, but not in a place of honor.

Answer this. Why put the dishonorable in a place of honor? Why should a cause that was heavily rooted in keeping/expanding slavery be respected? And don't give me the "it's history" crap. Alot of things are history. It doesn't equate place of honor.

 
Old 03-09-2017, 09:31 AM
 
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Answer this. Why put the dishonorable in a place of honor? Why should a cause that was heavily rooted in keeping/expanding slavery be respected? And don't give me the "it's history" crap. Alot of things are history. It doesn't equate place of honor.
The American Revolution was fought by people who kept slavery, should none of them be honorable either?

You never answered this question... How was it a war about slavery if at the first battle, both sides legally allowed slavery?
 
Old 03-09-2017, 09:36 AM
 
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The American Revolution was fought by people who kept slavery, should none of them be honorable either?

You never answered this question... How was it a war about slavery if at the first battle, both sides legally allowed slavery?
It was fought by people who kept slavery. However the cause of the American Revolution was not about keeping slavery. Big difference.

How was the war about slavery if both sides allowed slavery? Go read the Articles of Secession and come back to me. Wait, I've posted that and the only people who pay attention are those who agree with me. I've answered your question. It was about slavery because that is why several states declared secession. Said states were desperate to secede. Secession for the purpose of keeping slaves was the name of the game. Northern states were not desperately trying to secede in order to keep slavery. In fact, in some places, people up north were defying the Fugitive Slave Acts.

Answer these questions: Why put the dishonorable in a place of honor? Why should a cause that was heavily rooted in keeping/expanding slavery be respected?
 
Old 03-09-2017, 09:37 AM
 
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Those that forget their history are forced to repeat it.

Exactly...
 
Old 03-09-2017, 09:45 AM
 
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I have to think of this. There are those who want a symbol to represent the South. Why pick a symbol that is directly related to fighting against the USA? Why pick a symbol that represents a cause in which one of the main goals was a to keep and expand slavery?
 
Old 03-09-2017, 09:46 AM
 
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It is history.
It might be history, but it is a part of history that shouldn't be in a place of honor. It should be looked at as what went wrong in this land of ours known as the USA. Put Lee's statue in a museum.
 
Old 03-09-2017, 09:48 AM
 
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Good, take them all down. They should never have gotten up in the first place. They belong in a Civil War museum at best, not on display out in public.
Put them in museums. We don't have to destroy history. We can put those statues in museums. Use it as a historical exhibit, of the things that went wrong in this country. Show them, "this is what we used to do, we don't do that anymore".
 
Old 03-09-2017, 10:22 AM
 
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It's the "PC" card. We have historical evidence to back up our stances on the Confederate statues. You mentioned something else before. Some persons are afraid of certain things. When no one can refute what you say, but they disagree, the typical response is an insult. Really, said person is afraid to just admit what they really feel.
With over 1500 Confederate-related sites in 31 states, & excluded from this accounting are approximately 2,570 Civil War battlefields, markers, plaques, cemeteries & similar symbols that, for the most part, merely reflect historical events, one would think they'd be 'afraid' of being compulsively obsessed with the 4 or 5 year old & now defunct 'Old Country'.
 
Old 03-09-2017, 10:30 AM
 
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With over 1500 Confederate-related sites in 31 states, & excluded from this accounting are approximately 2,570 Civil War battlefields, markers, plaques, cemeteries & similar symbols that, for the most part, merely reflect historical events, one would think they'd be 'afraid' of being compulsively obsessed with the 4 or 5 year old & now defunct 'Old Country'.
It's not just the South then, bud. You yourself said it, 31 states.
 
Old 03-09-2017, 10:34 AM
 
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With over 1500 Confederate-related sites in 31 states, & excluded from this accounting are approximately 2,570 Civil War battlefields, markers, plaques, cemeteries & similar symbols that, for the most part, merely reflect historical events, one would think they'd be 'afraid' of being compulsively obsessed with the 4 or 5 year old & now defunct 'Old Country'.
I also have to wonder this. What is the Confederate monuments outside of the South?
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