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I'm not forgetting anything so you can quit making things up.
Because cotton can't be produced without slavery so everyone wanted it right?
The elite fought for slavery to retain power and fatten their wallets. The people fought for one reason and one reason only, to defend their country.
Those industries are not at profitable without slaves. my goodness THAT IS THE MAIN POINT OF SLAVERY...FREE LABOR. Those people fought to keep slavery going and to keep blacks in slavery as long as possible. You're trying to romanticize this. In their own words they were like "we're fighting to keep slavery going, to keep blacks in slavery, and blacks are inferior to us"...you're changing up what they were stating at the time. Their own words. You look up some of these confederate quotes and they were saying stuff like:
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At the South, and with our People of course, slavery is the element of all value, and a destruction of that destroys all that is property. This party, now soon to take possession of the powers of the Government, is sectional, irresponsible to us, and driven on by an infuriated fanatical madness that defies all opposition, must inevitably destroy every vestige or right growing out of property in slaves.
Gentlemen, the State of Florida is now a member of the Union under the power of the Government, so to go into the hands of this party.
As we stand our doom is decreed.
-Florida secessionists in January of 1861 (3 months before the war started).
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We do not think that whites should be slaves either by law or necessity. Our slaves are black, of another and inferior race. The status in which we have placed them is an elevation. They are elevated from the condition in which God first created them, by being made our slaves. None of that race on the whole face of the globe can be compared with the slaves of the South. They are happy, content, unaspiring, and utterly incapable, from intellectual weakness, ever to give us any trouble by their aspirations. Yours are white, of your own race; you are brothers of one blood. They are your equals in natural endowment of intellect, and they feel galled by their degradation.
-James Henry Hammond's "Cotton Is King" speech
other quotes from around that time leading up to the Civil war:
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...in this free government all white men are and of right ought to be entitled to equal civil and political rights; that the servitude of the African race, as existing in these States, is mutually beneficial to both bond and free, and is abundantly authorized and justified by the experience of mankind, and the revealed will of the Almighty Creator, as recognized by all Christian nations; while the destruction of the existing relations between the two races, as advocated by our sectional enemies, would bring inevitable calamities upon both and desolation upon the fifteen slave-holding states....
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As a separate republic, Louisiana remembers too well the whisperings of European diplomacy for the abolition of slavery in the times of annexation not to be apprehensive of bolder demonstrations from the same quarter and the North in this country. The people of the slave holding States are bound together by the same necessity and determination to preserve African slavery.
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Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery—the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin…
The Confederates laid it out clearly why they were fighting.
Those industries are not at profitable without slaves. my goodness THAT IS THE MAIN POINT OF SLAVERY...FREE LABOR. Those people fought to keep slavery going and to keep blacks in slavery as long as possible. You're trying to romanticize this. In their own words they were like "we're fighting to keep slavery going, to keep blacks in slavery, and blacks are inferior to us"...you're changing up what they were stating at the time. Their own words. You look up some of these confederate quotes and they were saying stuff like:
-Florida secessionists in January of 1861 (3 months before the war started).
-James Henry Hammond's "Cotton Is King" speech
other quotes from around that time leading up to the Civil war:
The Confederates laid it out clearly why they were fighting.
And reading this gave me a sense of just, well, I can't describe it. No one can sit there and deny that it wasn't about slavery. The proof is in the documents. I challenge anyone to refute this historical reference.
That won't be a dumb question in 100 years. It will be an ignorant one.
People will know who General Lee is. We learn about him in U.S. History classes. The question is this. Should we given Confederates a place of honor? My answer is NEVER.
People will know who General Lee is. We learn about him in U.S. History classes. The question is this. Should we given Confederates a place of honor? My answer is NEVER.
Folks in the future will most likely be saying, "What the heck were they thinking?"
And in 1864, Congress passed the 13th Amendment, abolishing slavery. Here is the difference. While the USA had long tolerated slavery where it existed, the CSA was willing to wage a war when southerners felt that institution was in danger. CSA never abolished slavery. So don't come at me with that.
I always enjoy this debate... lots of opinions but few facts...
As with anything, all you need to do is follow the money.
WHO exactly was threatening to END Slavery in 1861. If the southern states were so afraid that Slavery was being threatened and they were willing to wage a war to protect it, where exactly was that danger coming from? Lincoln said on more than one occasion that he had no intention of ending slavery including during his 1st inaugural address. A few abolitionists maybe... John Brown perhaps?.. They hung him.. the US government executed JOHN BROWN for trying to end slavery so it is obvious to anyone who studies just a little history that slavery was in no danger in 1861 from the US Government.
One of the big issues at hand was the expansion of slavery. Lincoln was against the expansion of slavery, as was the entire Republican party and they had suddenly found them selves in power. Again, this was not a moral decision concerning humans rights, this was all about power and money. By having a large majority of non slave states, the republicans could control congress by a large majority and pass any tariffs they wanted. They could decide which states and territories got special consideration for federal funding for railroads.. Do a little research about railroad expansion and what a cash cow that was..
So do you think the South Carolina rice plantation owner was hoping to pick up and move his plantation and 500 slaves to Arizona and start growing rice??? DO you think the Southern Mississippi Plantation owner would do the same and start growing cotton in Nevada??? NO! Slavery in the west was NEVER gonna be profitable so why the hell did they care if new states were slave or non slave states? Because of representation in congress. They were already the minority but were able to sway a little bit of power with sympathy they got from several Northern states. Once the US began expanding, they were losing more and more power which equates to $ for them due to unfavorable taxes. Once the Republicans gained power in 1861, some saw this as the end of the line, not a threat to Slavery (Lincoln confirmed this!) but a threat to their power and money!
Few people in the North or the South wanted war. The few that did, had the most to lose and it was not the loss of slaves they were worried about. The political powers in the South saw their federal power collapsing and with it, lots of money so they opted to LEAVE the Union... nothing more. They did not immediately form an Army and invade Washington for fear they were going to lose their Slaves.. No, they simply left the union... Most people in the North, including many politicians, were content to let the SOUTH leave.. but a few saw their power diminish and with it.. loss of $... So they said, NO we can't let them. Its illegal. They was no moral epiphany from the White House or Washington about freeing the slaves in 1861.. there was just a desire to maintain POWER and MONEY!
What followed was 4 year death reign.. a struggle for the few elite to maintain their power and their money! The emancipation proclamation was a war maneuver and it freed NO ONE! Ask your self, why did Lincoln proclaim that Slaves in the REBELLION States to be free and SLAVES in the UNION states NOT?? Why did he leave the Northern Slave states out of the Emancipation? Because it was NOT about Freeing slaves.. it was about winning a war and keeping the Nation whole, maintaining POWER and Money. The 13th amendment was more about honoring Lincoln and punishing the South than it was about human rights. If the North was so moral superior to the South then why did it take so long for them to pass the 13th Amendment.. ? Simply really. They were not morally superior. They held serious reservations about freeing the slaves..
Laying the blame of the Civil War on the backs of slave holding states is ignorant at best but certainly PC. The end of Slavery was the only GOOD thing to come from this horrid event. So i understand why so many simply point and say.. evil SOUTH.. evil Confederates.. It's neat and clean and we don't have to consider that Lincoln was a racists and that 99% of America was at that time. That the NORTH had no more interest in Freeing slaves than the South did.. That the North imported imported nearly a million slaves into the US, that the North perpetuated slavery for 100s of years and suddenly said.. wait.. stop, we are not to blame! honestly???
Slavery is a black eye in American history, NOT just the SOUTH... to spit on a Robert E Lee monument while worshiping a George Washington monument is ignorance beyond words! Read a little history folks!
I always enjoy this debate... lots of opinions but few facts...
As with anything, all you need to do is follow the money.
WHO exactly was threatening to END Slavery in 1861. If the southern states were so afraid that Slavery was being threatened and they were willing to wage a war to protect it, where exactly was that danger coming from? Lincoln said on more than one occasion that he had no intention of ending slavery including during his 1st inaugural address. A few abolitionists maybe... John Brown perhaps?.. They hung him.. the US government executed JOHN BROWN for trying to end slavery so it is obvious to anyone who studies just a little history that slavery was in no danger in 1861 from the US Government.
One of the big issues at hand was the expansion of slavery. Lincoln was against the expansion of slavery, as was the entire Republican party and they had suddenly found them selves in power. Again, this was not a moral decision concerning humans rights, this was all about power and money. By having a large majority of non slave states, the republicans could control congress by a large majority and pass any tariffs they wanted. They could decide which states and territories got special consideration for federal funding for railroads.. Do a little research about railroad expansion and what a cash cow that was..
So do you think the South Carolina rice plantation owner was hoping to pick up and move his plantation and 500 slaves to Arizona and start growing rice??? DO you think the Southern Mississippi Plantation owner would do the same and start growing cotton in Nevada??? NO! Slavery in the west was NEVER gonna be profitable so why the hell did they care if new states were slave or non slave states? Because of representation in congress. They were already the minority but were able to sway a little bit of power with sympathy they got from several Northern states. Once the US began expanding, they were losing more and more power which equates to $ for them due to unfavorable taxes. Once the Republicans gained power in 1861, some saw this as the end of the line, not a threat to Slavery (Lincoln confirmed this!) but a threat to their power and money!
Few people in the North or the South wanted war. The few that did, had the most to lose and it was not the loss of slaves they were worried about. The political powers in the South saw their federal power collapsing and with it, lots of money so they opted to LEAVE the Union... nothing more. They did not immediately form an Army and invade Washington for fear they were going to lose their Slaves.. No, they simply left the union... Most people in the North, including many politicians, were content to let the SOUTH leave.. but a few saw their power diminish and with it.. loss of $... So they said, NO we can't let them. Its illegal. They was no moral epiphany from the White House or Washington about freeing the slaves in 1861.. there was just a desire to maintain POWER and MONEY!
What followed was 4 year death reign.. a struggle for the few elite to maintain their power and their money! The emancipation proclamation was a war maneuver and it freed NO ONE! Ask your self, why did Lincoln proclaim that Slaves in the REBELLION States to be free and SLAVES in the UNION states NOT?? Why did he leave the Northern Slave states out of the Emancipation? Because it was NOT about Freeing slaves.. it was about winning a war and keeping the Nation whole, maintaining POWER and Money. The 13th amendment was more about honoring Lincoln and punishing the South than it was about human rights. If the North was so moral superior to the South then why did it take so long for them to pass the 13th Amendment.. ? Simply really. They were not morally superior. They held serious reservations about freeing the slaves..
Laying the blame of the Civil War on the backs of slave holding states is ignorant at best but certainly PC. The end of Slavery was the only GOOD thing to come from this horrid event. So i understand why so many simply point and say.. evil SOUTH.. evil Confederates.. It's neat and clean and we don't have to consider that Lincoln was a racists and that 99% of America was at that time. That the NORTH had no more interest in Freeing slaves than the South did.. That the North imported imported nearly a million slaves into the US, that the North perpetuated slavery for 100s of years and suddenly said.. wait.. stop, we are not to blame! honestly???
Slavery is a black eye in American history, NOT just the SOUTH... to spit on a Robert E Lee monument while worshiping a George Washington monument is ignorance beyond words! Read a little history folks!
How did the 'Slaver States' of the Confederacy react legislatively to President Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation? How did the '20-Slave Law' work out for them?
The Confederates laid it out clearly why they were fighting.
No, they laid it out clearly WHY they seceded. If you had asked them why they were fighting they would have told you because the North came down and punched us in the nose..
Do you think Robert E Lee rejected Lincolns offer of leading the US Army because he didn't want to LOSE his slaves???
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