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Old 03-08-2017, 07:02 AM
 
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There must be a lot of swamp dwellers who will have some mighty sleepless nights...

The left is getting increasingly more frantic and the lies are mounting.
The "right" has never been against this sort of spying.
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Old 03-08-2017, 07:05 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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Well, I don't know this has been confirmed, so maybe I need to get off of the Internet for a while. My point is, anyone who believes our intelligence agencies are plotting to control everyday citizens who are not involved in terrorist activities is overly concerned about something that will have no or little effect on our lives. If people are so concerned, then they can live in a hut somewhere. We have chips on our credit cards and cameras at traffic lights. That's life in modern society. Okay with it? No, not at all. I don't even like nosy neighbors. I'm the last person who wants anyone snooping into my private affairs, but you just aren't getting my point. We have been under surveillance for many years and life goes on. As long as you have a Soc Sec card, vote, pay taxes or drive a car, your life isn't private. Your medical and dental records are on file too. I'm not happy about it, but it's been that way for a long time. However, if you want to hide under your bed or wear a bathing suit when you shower, that's up to you.

I don't know why this is suddenly breaking news to some people.
I think it's the (potential?) breadth and depth of the spying that's now got people's attention. I remember many years ago when stories came out about the ability for LEO's to activate the OnStar system in your car to listen in without your knowledge or the ability to listen to what is going on in your home via your TV/Cable connection it was poo-poo'ed as a "tin foil hat" thing even though it was somewhat admitted to by L.E. as a bugging tool used against organized crime (the Mafia/drug cartels) without the need to physically place a bug somewhere.

It's been said that the building in Utah is designed with the idea that the NSA can/does trap ALL communications and stores them for later data mining if need be. They also admitted that they ARE trapping billions of bytes of information daily, so much so that they cannot feasibly go through it all. It's kind of like a 100 gallon drum of bolts and you're looking for only 20. You don't have time to search the whole drum so you dump it into a 5000 gallon drum for later sorting when you come up with a machine to do it, and you have several teams focused on just creating that sorting machine.

Now if you have a "customer" that really,really wants those specific 20 bolts you'll have to go through that big drum, probably with automation of some sort but you're also also bound to find some other "interesting" bolts along the way that "might" have some interest to some of your other influential customers so you put them aside, even though they are not your focus at this time.
Where this gets interesting is if you happen to trade bolts with someone, only a couple of times and that person later down the road becomes someone of interest to one of the NSA's "customers" your interaction with that person will also be drug into the mess and all your dealings will come to light even if you've never done anything wrong, maybe only done something personally embarrassing.
If, somehow that investigation comes out and your name is mentioned because you were "in that barrel", even though you've done nothing wrong you could/will then be tarred with the same brush as the person you traded with.

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Old 03-08-2017, 07:06 AM
 
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Stuxnet.
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Old 03-08-2017, 07:15 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Remember not too long ago when the FBI was trying to get Apple to get information off the terrorist's phone and Apple refused? If the CIA has all of these tools, why didn't Comey ask the CIA to get the info for them? In fact, why didn't the CIA volunteer to do it?

You know all of this denial by the FBI about wiretapping/hacking Trump? Maybe this Wikileaks revelation about CIA tools is just as much of a revelation to the FBI as it is to us.
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Old 03-08-2017, 07:17 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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Remember not too long ago when the FBI was trying to get Apple to get information off the terrorist's phone and Apple refused? If the CIA has all of these tools, why didn't Comey ask the CIA to get the info for them? In fact, why didn't the CIA volunteer to do it?

You know all of this denial by the FBI about wiretapping/hacking Trump? Maybe this Wikileaks revelation about CIA tools is just as much of a revelation to the FBI as it is to us.
Again, they DID get into that phone and APPLE then asked them how they did it...
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...rook/82354040/
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Old 03-08-2017, 07:22 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Oh shoot, the CIA has some explaining to do...
They'll have to explain why they spy, which is kind of why they exist.....

I hope they are listening through Putin's Samsung TV while him and Trump plot the "owning of Washington DC".
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Old 03-08-2017, 07:25 AM
 
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Remember not too long ago when the FBI was trying to get Apple to get information off the terrorist's phone and Apple refused? If the CIA has all of these tools, why didn't Comey ask the CIA to get the info for them? In fact, why didn't the CIA volunteer to do it?
My theory on this is that they wanted to assure the public that their phones were safe - even though they knew otherwise. I'd wager this is not secret stuff within certain circles.
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Old 03-08-2017, 07:48 AM
 
Location: Washington, DC
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Remember not too long ago when the FBI was trying to get Apple to get information off the terrorist's phone and Apple refused? If the CIA has all of these tools, why didn't Comey ask the CIA to get the info for them? In fact, why didn't the CIA volunteer to do it?

You know all of this denial by the FBI about wiretapping/hacking Trump? Maybe this Wikileaks revelation about CIA tools is just as much of a revelation to the FBI as it is to us.
Yeah. But I kinda figured even back then that your iPhone was something that could be easily hacked anyway. Seemed like the media was just trying to cover themselves.

It tipped me off a few years ago when iPhone started doing that fingerprint ID thing and when Android had the facial ID to unlock the phone. Not to mention, the Xbox One when it was always in sleep mode and could listen in to conversations with the "Xbox On" command.

There have been reports about this for years now, however, this simply confirms it all.

And yes, this gives Trump all the ammo he needs to easily say that he was hacked.
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Old 03-08-2017, 07:57 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Wow...I'm investing in tinfoil, sales going through the roof...
Me too.

I expect to see mass destruction of personal smart phones, TVs, etc., any day now.



Seriously, if any of this is true, why would anyone be surprised?

Post 9/11, lots of people wanted the government to do anything/everything to catch the "bad guys."

Be careful what you with for.
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Old 03-08-2017, 07:57 AM
 
Location: Elgin, Illinois
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Yeah. But I kinda figured even back then that your iPhone was something that could be easily hacked anyway. Seemed like the media was just trying to cover themselves.

It tipped me off a few years ago when iPhone started doing that fingerprint ID thing and when Android had the facial ID to unlock the phone. Not to mention, the Xbox One when it was always in sleep mode and could listen in to conversations with the "Xbox On" command.

There have been reports about this for years now, however, this simply confirms it all.

And yes, this gives Trump all the ammo he needs to easily say that he was hacked.
I heard on NPR, that this data dump actually makes the U.S less safe as foreign powers can utilize these tools and repurpose them for their own gain or even know how to protect against U.S. Hacking. The person being interviewed said, you have to ask yourself what the purpose of this leak is and who they're trying to help (something like that, can't remember word for word).
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