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Old 03-15-2017, 06:54 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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NAFTA was negotiated by GHW Bush (a republican)

In the House of Representatives 132 Republicans and 102 Democrats supported NAFTA, and Senate supporters were 34 Republicans and 27 Democrats (more republicans supported NAFTA than democrats.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_...._ratification


And the democrats just tried to end tax breaks for corporations that outsource jobs, and this would have potentially brought millions of jobs back to America (but the republicans opposed ending those tax breaks.)

Senate Republicans Vote Against American Jobs By Blocking Bill To End Outsourcing Tax Breaks







If they are not going to name it the "Preventing Republicans from Eating Cute Puppies and Kittens Act", I'm not going to support it!


We all know that a "targeted" anything really means free money for big donors, bundlers, allied organizations and the like.

Have a cost estimate for this bill?


Yeah, didn't think so.

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Old 03-15-2017, 07:00 AM
 
Location: Former land of plenty
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I don't care for Trump but I'm not going to condemn him for using the laws to his advantage. That's on the politicians for creating the laws in the first place. Nobody pays more than they have to.
Lots of poor people use tax laws to their advantage too. The right wing whines about it all day every day.

Bow down before the one you serve.
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Old 03-15-2017, 07:01 AM
 
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Trump pays more than his fare share of taxes.

Yet another leftist meme down the drain.

Oops! MSNBC Reveals Trump Paid 25% Tax Rate - Socialist Bernie Sanders Paid 13% Tax Rate
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Old 03-15-2017, 07:21 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Trump pays more than his fare share of taxes.

Yet another leftist meme down the drain.

Oops! MSNBC Reveals Trump Paid 25% Tax Rate - Socialist Bernie Sanders Paid 13% Tax Rate


We know Trump paid that ONE year - 2005.


We don't what he paid every other year, do we?
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Old 03-15-2017, 07:23 AM
 
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We know Trump paid that ONE year - 2005.


We don't what he paid every other year, do we?
The leftist meme was destroyed. No doubt about it.
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Old 03-15-2017, 07:43 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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We know Trump paid that ONE year - 2005.


We don't what he paid every other year, do we?
Really? $38 million for one household isn't enough for you? Is he not getting the same exact access to federal government services and benefits that those who never pay a dime in federal income tax get?

That's like a grocery store charging one customer $38 million for a gallon of milk while charging another customer $0 for a gallon of milk.
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Old 03-15-2017, 08:33 AM
 
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He NEVER defended slavery. He defended secession.

But don't you EVER associate the actions of Abraham Lincoln to be that of wanting to abolish slavery. The Union didn't even talk of abolishing slavery until almost two years of war. I advise you to actually read "No Treason", instead of ranting about things of which you do not know.

Lysander Spooner – No Treason No. 6: The Constitution of No Authority




Or as Frederick Douglass said...




The idea that the North went to war to end slavery, is a complete fraud. Lincoln and the corporations and bankers who pushed for the war, didn't care whatsoever about slavery.

The war was fought to maintain the union, and nothing more.

But why did it need to be maintained?





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRx-trdMGtY


You don't understand Lysander spooner.
Interesting Points, but not wholly accurate. The push to quell the expansion of slavery and the abolition of slavery, was something that was a point of concern in society, in the North and there were those in the south who did not like nor want slavery, but also had to maintain silence as they sat in the middle of Slavery. The Proclamation to the cessation of slavery was a strong move, but it also left slavery in the areas known as "economic zones". It was more than just passing a law saying slavery was over, there was and continues to this day, "the hearts and minds of people who lived for the divisiveness and the fictions of white superiority", this was not only economically, but their ideals were built and based upon such self patronizing fictions, of which "they acted upon". The move from Slavery to Segregation, was a 1/8 step out of slavery, not a full movement from slavery. Because Slavery itself was integrated in not only every aspect of the society, it was embedded in how laws had become modified and shaped, and how government policy was designed, structured and enacted, it was in every element of the economic system as to how to promote, and prolong inequity, and how to force down the cost of labor and maximize the benefit unto the wealthy as to what labor could and would produce.
When people talk about Slavery, and discussed the vile of "human ownership" by another, then one has to consider that every elements of society and the Constitution this nation was founded upon was driven to be interpreted in policy, program, law and political agenda. it included the saturation of religious ideology to not only teach segregated religious ideological grooming, it went further to promote and sustain the division of segregation in the facility of what is a Church. Lincoln Knew this, which is why he also knew that his actions were a first step and it was a short step, he was not under any delusion that there would be an instant transformation, nor could he push for an immediate FULL Circle Transformation, because the mentality and habit pattern of man does not flip and change in such an instance. Therefore, to try and diminish by any means the efforts and works of Lincoln is to not understand the Nation Changing Act that Lincoln engaged with the support of fighting to end any expansion of slavery and the stand to abolish the system of full saturation plantation structured slavery. There were many other "lesser types of slavery" that was engaged all across the nation, from that of how many foreigner were used, to sex trafficking, household indenturing and every other type of indenturing, this expanded itself to morph into share cropping and every other elements of human misuse and abuse, as well as structures of economic disenfranchisment.


"Full Circle Abolition of Slavery" would encompass scrubbing the documentations derived from Constitutional Interpretation and Documentation generated by such influence from every Polity and Law within Federal, State and Local Government as well as from the Legal System and all the precedents that were generated from influence of race based bias, inequity. Out Laws would have become blind unto race, ethnicity, cultural grouping, ethnic origin and all such things that infer bias and inequality.
None of such things ever took place, and today we have a system where the laws are still tainted with the bias derived precedents which subjugated people to slavery era injustices. We have the inequity which has raged so strongly in the economic system, that the basis of our concept of Minimum wage is based on the basic cost a business or individual would incur to house and feed a slave.
True minimum wage, would be based on the Promoted Standard of Living, as an example> the Imagery that was promoted in Media Print, Picture, Books and On to the Media depictions of plays, film, Tv and every other presentation of concept and imagery of American Standards.

Thus so, what wage would entail and include, would be, sufficient income to support not only food and shelter, but suitable standards to what is food and what is shelter, ability to support and maintain medical care, as well as educational function, that includes the higher levels of education, and systems of income structure that support both investment and savings, and then we would have a system, that would require less public assistance program, and our safety net programs would function with a high efficiency, lower cost and be utilized in the format to help people get up if they fall down.

when Right Winger Crying and Whine about the Public Assistance Program, they fail to grasp, they have promoted the necessity of the programs manner of being utilized, by their own promotion of bigotry, bias, race class-ism and segregated concepts that influence wage and job position, as well as every institution that exist. They do not want to see themselves as the core root of the problem, they complain about.
The when the Government does try and address equality, economic equilibrium and such things, the Right Winger stands in opposition, as if they cling to and uphold the ongoing of a slavery influenced system where inequity is built within and they stand guard to protect the sustaining of such a system of inequity. Then they want to stand back and claim some position of self delusional white supremacy.
They support the sustaining of structured inequity so they can pump up their own ego with delusions.

All the while, never realizing they are the stagnation of that which stagnates and impacts themselves, and they blind themselves to that fact, by their incessant interest to support the ongoing on a segregated system of inequities and inequalities, which doubles back and impact them in the same levels of impoverishment, they see the cast upon blacks and other minorities.

To Try and Get Them To See A Reflection of Themselves, is a challenge that has raged on for Centuries and Decades. Even today, the efforts to try and have that conversation is like one has chosen to go fishing in a 17 gal Galvanized Wash Tub and expecting to catch a big fish.

People are still persecuted and prosecuted based on the system of race influenced legal process, but this is aided by the inequity within the system, that has proceeded for over a Century Plus, to diminish the economic capacity of the individual, to have substandard resources, which was further aided by the system of projects and segregated housing programming, to segregated communities, all of which contributes to the programming of "ghetto making" which is not much different than a larger version of slaves quarters.

The review and address of this system and its implication and influences upon and through out current system has a very detailed structure which takes a great volume of time to break down, and comprehend, and not much can nor will change, until these things are fully acknowledged and a pledge made to address and construct changes which can bring us to a system where equality can become and be a full circle system.

The ongoing work, involves everyone.
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Old 03-15-2017, 08:41 AM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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We know Trump paid that ONE year - 2005.


We don't what he paid every other year, do we?
Right. Keep trying.
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Old 03-15-2017, 09:24 AM
 
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We know Trump paid that ONE year - 2005.


We don't what he paid every other year, do we?
What we do know is that So-called President continues to avoid the scrutiny of the American people & that 'by hook or by crook.'

We also know, from his previous return, that he lost almost a $billion dollars in one year:

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...The $916 million loss certainly could have eliminated any federal income taxes Mr. Trump otherwise would have owed on the $50,000 to $100,000 he was paid for each episode of “The Apprentice,” or the roughly $45 million he was paid between 1995 and 2009 when he was chairman or chief executive of the publicly traded company he created to assume ownership of his troubled Atlantic City casinos. Ordinary investors in the new company, meanwhile, saw the value of their shares plunge to 17 cents from $35.50, while scores of contractors went unpaid for work on Mr. Trump’s casinos and casino bondholders received pennies on the dollar.

“He has a vast benefit from his destruction” in the early 1990s, said one of the experts, Joel Rosenfeld, an assistant professor at New York University’s Schack Institute of Real Estate. Mr. Rosenfeld offered this description of what he would advise a client who came to him with a tax return like Mr. Trump’s: “Do you realize you can create $916 million in income without paying a nickel in taxes?” ...
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/02/u...axes.html?_r=0

We also know he will continue to benefit from his own destruction, it's his MO, & after all, what does he have to lose? After all, he has said the American people don't care, the proof he gives, along with his sycophants, is that ... "HE WON!"

Yeah we know Mr. So-called President some of us are also wondering if the American people are gonna benefit from your self-destruction. How is that supposed to work?

Is Mr. Bannon's "deconstruction of the administrative state" part of your long term strategy? You & he & your various corporatist cronies, libertarian leaning business worshipping legislative & lobbyist lapdogs may benefit from this destruction but what about the Country? & the American people?
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Old 03-15-2017, 10:25 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Right. Keep trying.


What did I say that was incorrect?
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