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Old 03-09-2017, 04:37 PM
 
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Only when there is scientific evidence of Climate Change, not normal variations, and it is due to humans.
But this isn't about climate change. See the OP.
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Old 03-09-2017, 04:39 PM
 
Location: London
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Too much overlap. Air pollution is the biggest cause of climate change...might as well kill two birds with one stone.
If that's the case though, then why not promote the issue that's more immediately tangible (the issue that fewer people will be resistant to confronting) than the other?
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Old 03-09-2017, 04:42 PM
 
Location: London
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Ok, I will play.

Place this in the hands of the states.
In that case, how would you feel about your state making (or keeping) it a goal to maintain cleaner air and water via state regulations?
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Old 03-09-2017, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Austin
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But this isn't about climate change. See the OP.
Pollution is the nexus of climate change according to some. It isn't according to others.
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Old 03-09-2017, 04:44 PM
 
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Pollution is the nexus of climate change according to some. It isn't according to others.
The argument raised in the OP is that even if we ignore the debate on whether climate change is real/human-caused, we should all care about a clean world (clean air and clean water). Do you disagree with that basic premise?
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Old 03-09-2017, 04:46 PM
 
Location: London
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Pollution is the nexus of climate change according to some. It isn't according to others.
Whether or not pollution causes climate change can be considered irrelevant if we focus on the much more plainly documented fact that high pollution levels is detrimental to public health (lead poisoning, respiratory illnesses, etc).
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Old 03-09-2017, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Austin
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The argument raised in the OP is that even if we ignore the debate on whether climate change is real/human-caused, we should all care about a clean world (clean air and clean water). Do you disagree with that basic premise?
Until other countries with populations who dwarf America, and countries who are smaller and poor, stop polluting the air and water, who cares whether you or I agree?
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Old 03-09-2017, 04:53 PM
 
Location: Houston
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The climate change discussion seems to be crowding out other concerns. The bees decimation is my greatest current man made environmental problem concern.
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Old 03-09-2017, 04:54 PM
 
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Until other countries with populations who dwarf America, and countries who are smaller and poor, and pollute the air and water agree, who cares whether you or I agree?
I'll concede to you here - You bring up a very, very valid point. Pollution from other countries is a major issue. And I don't know how we solve it. Where I live along the west coast, we receive a great deal of China's pollution, and I'm concerned about it.

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The climate change discussion seems to be crowding out other concerns. The bees decimation is my greatest current man made environmental problem concern.
Yeah, it's a very sad and alarming issue. Sad that bees are dying at the rate they are - and alarming because bees are enormously important to our world's agriculture system (not to mention world ecosystems).
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Old 03-09-2017, 04:55 PM
 
Location: London
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The climate change discussion seems to be crowding out other concerns. The bees decimation is my greatest current man made environmental problem concern.
Same here. No bees, no food.
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