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How could the Republicans possibly have done anything to 'refuse to make it work.' It was written (all 2700+ pages) by Democrats. The legislation was entirely controlled by Democrats. It was enacted and was (still is) the law of the land. Implementation was controlled by the executive branch, and by Obama's HHS secretary, both Democrats.
I will say that I am not optimistic about Republican prospects to replace it with something better.
They fought against the very idea of a national healthcare program. Their mistake was just like the south's fight against the idea that slavery would end one day and they are forever remembered as the ones on the wrong side of history. They also underestimated how many democrats would fall on their swords to see it passed. They gambled to early that it wouldn't pass.
The problem with Obamacare is that the problems haven't really started yet. People covered through their employer don't how ridiculous the premiums and the deductibles are for those who have to pay for their own coverage (and it's going to keep getting worse, not better). The other problem is, it's not getting funded. The individual mandate penalty is only a small part of the funding. There's suppose to be a small business penalty (which keeps getting postponed) and they're suppose find 500 billion in Medicare fraud (that I've heard nothing about). How are they subsidizing all the low income people.
The budget office calculated it would reduce the deficit....that's if it all went as planned. That hasn't even come close to happening. Do you think they anticipated all big rate increases the premiums would have (some of which the feds have to subsidize for low income people)? Do you think they accounted for the small business mandate penalty not being collected so far? As long as all the revenue is not being collected yet, they don't have to announce it's cost so far (which has got to be a big negative number by now).
The truth is, either way it's negative......whether people will understand that is another thing. The idea is to stop the future disaster Obamacare has in store for us.....unfortunately I think the new plan is a future disaster too (much shorter term future though). What we're going to end up with is the whole country being fooled into taking sides, when neither side fixed it or has a working plan to fix it.
I know how much my employer's pay for healthcare because I pay 20% of it. . How on earth did you make up a stupid claim like that?
I know how much my employer's pay for healthcare because I pay 20% of it. . How on earth did you make up a stupid claim like that?
I'm talking about Obamacare for those not insured through their employer...I didn't say anything about group health insurance through an employer or it's cost....other than they don't realize what the cost is for those going through Obamacare (or the deductibles).
What are you talking about? I was a isurance broker for 15 years..all I sold was health insurance.
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Long term -- Depends on how both parties move forward. It is not perfect and needs to be fixed......not shifting to different people get screwed -- fixed so we all have a basic decent standard of minimum health care instead of the best of the best being offered only to the rich. (If I hear one more time how the USA has the best health care in the world I will scream --- what good is it if only 1% of the population can access it).
Darn tootin' it will be remembered positively as just the beginning of healthcare for all.
I hope I live long enough to see it happen for my children and grand babies.
It will not be remembered well by anyone who was self employed and had to actually pay the high cost.
BS. I'm self-employed and I have insurance now due to the ACA after going without for a decade. If you think $144 a month, which is what I pay for my insurance now, is too much then you should research what someone who is self-employed was paying for their own insurance before the ACA. When I finally dropped out of the market my monthly premium had risen to over $800 a month.
The ACA will be remembered positively by everyone who was able to see a doctor for the first time in years because of the ACA, and there are many millions of us who this is true for. To say nothing of the many millions more who qualified for expanded Medicaid.
The GOP owns healthcare now. If the ACA goes down on their watch, guess who will get the blame?
It will not be remembered well by anyone who was self employed and had to actually pay the high cost.
Except for those, like my boyfriend, who were finally able to start small businesses because preexisting conditions would have made that impossible before the ACA. He now employs close to 20 people, including his parents who were laid off in their late 50s and likely would have resorted to the government dole, in a part of the rust belt where jobs are scarce.
I'm talking about Obamacare for those not insured through their employer...I didn't say anything about group health insurance through an employer or it's cost....other than they don't realize what the cost is for those going through Obamacare (or the deductibles).
What are you talking about? I was a isurance broker for 15 years..all I sold was health insurance.
Not what you wrote in your post. Go back and read it.
I think Obamacare succeeded in ending lifetime caps and providing access to insurance for those with pre-existing conditions. No one should be forced into bankruptcy due to a major illness.
What upsets me is why can't Medicare negotiate prescription drug prices? That a huge one that needs fixed.
Why do we allow for profit healthcare? The entire concept seems flawed. Not saying the government is always the answer, but I'm not sure the 'free market' always makes consumers a priority. Heck, the insurance companies have 20% overhead. Seems to me that hospitals should all be not for profit.
The Republicans talk about buying insurance across state lines, but what about also being able to use that insurance in another state where the costs would be lower?
I'm skeptical about the Republican plan. It's going to have to include all the 'good' parts of Obamacare before I support it.
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