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At the peak of the Nazi party's popularity, TEN PERCENT of Germans identified with Nazis.
Everyone who wore their uniform was a part of it, and it was a heck of a lot more than just a fraction of their population. It was a national effort. You need to find a better argument.
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Again: SHOW ME a Muslim-majority nation that can be described in any stretched definition as being "progressive" and the type of place that is good for women, LGBT and religious minorities!
Again? You never asked be before. Secondly, I never said they are progressive. They are actually very conservative.
Lots of made of statistics by the far-right when it comes to Sweden. At the same time allowing a lot of immigrants from a culture that does not share your values is problematic.
I get you want to dismiss government data because it breaks your whole story . But they are the ONLY facts that matter. a bunch of forum members posting links to videos of crimes , does not mean a thing, other than more poeple have cameras today than 20 years ago. The data is factual, you might wish it was not but it is.
""In recent times, simplistic and occasionally completely inaccurate information about Sweden and Swedish migration policy has been disseminated. Here, the Swedish Ministry for Foreign Affairs looks at some of the most common claims."""
I am not sure why my original reply was removed by the moderators regarding this. Basically I was stating that the Swedish government stopped recording immigration status in their facts. So they're hiding the true numbers [I would love to here from the mod that deleted my comment why he did so ]
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Well, if Facebook says so, then it MUST be true.
Well, it's 2% of the Swedish population. Consider that probably 50% of the population doesn't have Facebook, is too old or too young to use the internet, you're dismissing this easily. To put this in perspective: if there was a FB group of 8,000,000 Amercians all being concerned about the same topic. Would it also be "Fake"?
Well, it's 2% of the Swedish population. Consider that probably 50% of the population doesn't have Facebook, is too old or too young to use the internet, you're dismissing this easily. To put this in perspective: if there was a FB group of 8,000,000 Amercians all being concerned about the same topic. Would it also be "Fake"?
What makes you think all members in a FB group are from the same country, and what makes you think all members in the group agree? You have to join the group in order to post a disagreement.
Well, I'm not so sure. I'm not interested in a theological debate, but the same violent crap is in the Bible as in the Quran.There are loads of secular Muslims in Europe. There are also devout Muslims who do no harm to anyone. Keep in mind that Western Europe is a 100 times more secular than the US. That includes also Muslims.
The old testament = the old covenant = Judaism
The new testament = the new covenant = Christianity
Anything that approaches Islamic prescriptions for violence is found in the old testament.
By your logic, there are devout Nazis who do no harm to anyone. Are we also making political excuses for their ideology?
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There is no one Muslim ideology, just like there is no one Christian ideology.
That's pretty much untrue. There is a core ideology, and then there are offshoots. The Islamic core ideology is fundamentalist. The Christian core ideology is Catholic.
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What is this supposed to mean? And what rape mobs are you talking about? The one incident in Cologne over a year ago?
Cologne, Austria, etc.
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Sub-Saharan Africans and Middle-Easterners.
There you go.
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The rape statistics have been on the same level since 2005.
This issue predates 2005.
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There's only one race: the human race.
Untrue.
The only people who really believe that are white liberals, and everyone else laughs behind their back either due to the fact that they can exploit them as a result or cause them to be exploited to the benefit of those doing the laughing.
Though, some low self esteem minorities will also convince themselves of this new globalist social invention.
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Immigration and emigration has been a part of Europe for hundreds or even thousands of years.
This is dubious justification for mass immigration. My homeland statement stands.
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An African born and bred in Sweden with a Swedish passport is a Swede. Period.
Laughably untrue. It's never going to be true, in an essential sense. They would be an African with Swedish nationality.
Similarly, a White person born in Somalia would never be a "Somalian". They would be a person of European descent with a Somalian passport and nationality.
Magic dirt and magic papers does not change the person's origin.
You can't make a glass of water into a hammer by treating it like a hammer or keeping it in the toolbox. You can't make a daisy into a tree by treating it like a tree. You can't make a cat into a dog by treating it like a dog. You can't make a poodle into a golden retriever by treating it like a golden retriever. You can't make a White person Han Chinese by treating them like an Han Chinese. You can't make anyone anything than what they are by transporting them to magic dirt, giving them papers, or even exposing them to your culture.
The idea that you can is the essential lie of modern liberalism, and its why we are in so much conflict, have so much crime, why our schools are crumbling, why we have so much personal isolation, why we are losing our culture, and it is why we are losing our competitive battle with the Eastern hemisphere.
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It isn't adjusted for anything, because there's no need for it. There's no cover-up conspiracy going on. Those are official Swedish stats.
To isolate the effect of immigration on crime, we need data on crimes committed by immigrants. Obtaining this type of data is easy in the United States or Denmark, but not in Sweden. The last time there was an official report breaking down crime statistics by immigrant status and origin was in 2005, for the years 1997 to 2001. These statistics confirmed that immigrants were significantly overrepresented amongst offenders, in particular in committing violent crimes. The foreign born were four times more likely to be suspects in homicide cases than those with Swedish origin, and 4.5 times more likely to be suspects in rape cases.
Gee, look at that. The last time that there was a breakdown in criminal stats by race was in 2005.
That seems like a rather large coincidence given your prior statement on the rape levels supposedly remaining the same since 2005.
Since then, Swedish criminologists and politicians have made sure that no new statistics have been released. Not a single recent research study in Sweden has attempted to estimate the causal effect of immigration on sexual assault or homicide rates
The Swedish debate on immigration is so contentious that even relaying statistics can lead to one’s being branded a bigot, which might be why journalists and politicians often insist that immigration is good for the country, creating jobs and paying for itself in the long run.
Sweden, which for much of its modern history had among the world’s lowest rates of violent crime, was almost always as homogenous as Japan. Now that it has admitted hundreds of thousands of immigrants from the Middle East and North Africa, it is no longer a homogenous country — and while the Swedish government is not forthcoming on the matter, as its entire commitment to multiculturalism and to taking in high numbers of refugees from the Middle East and North Africa is at stake — it appears that its levels of violence are greatly increasing.
What makes you think all members in a FB group are from the same country, and what makes you think all members in the group agree? You have to join the group in order to post a disagreement.
So, let a small percentage be non-Swedish. It's still a significant amount and it gives you a lot of insight from Swedish people what's happening in their country. The Swedish press and government is completely and utterly covering up any issues with refugees. It doesn't fit the "Sweden is the 6th best country to live in narrative". It doesn't fit the "The Swedish government made a mistake". It doesn't fit the "Swedish are tolerant" narrative.
Just Google "sweden immigration problems", and tell me all those reports are false.
So, let a small percentage be non-Swedish. It's still a significant amount and it gives you a lot of insight from Swedish people what's happening in their country. The Swedish press and government is completely and utterly covering up any issues with refugees. It doesn't fit the "Sweden is the 6th best country to live in narrative". It doesn't fit the "The Swedish government made a mistake". It doesn't fit the "Swedish are tolerant" narrative.
Just Google "sweden immigration problems", and tell me all those reports are false.
wonder how many people who post here about the "trouble" Sweden is having, has ever been to Sweden or do they just follow "new" reports that suit their agenda.
Everyone who wore their uniform was a part of it, and it was a heck of a lot more than just a fraction of their population. It was a national effort. You need to find a better argument.
And extremists in Europe (sympathizers with Sharia, terrorism, etc.) are noted to be between 10-30% + in European countries.
It's even higher in Muslim-majority countries.
In other words, the "small minority" is actually very significant in size. Why do you think the Belgium airport bombers were able to successfully hide out in Molenbeek --- SHELTERED by the COMMUNITY there. The community was either a) complicit or b) so terrified and powerless to do anything.
Look at major demographic shifts in the middle east --- Lebanon (majority Christian to majority Muslim) --- Syria --- (25% Christian a century ago, to under 10% now). How did it work out for those countries?
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Again? You never asked be before. Secondly, I never said they are progressive. They are actually very conservative.
It used to be that Sweden was a very desirable place to live. But things are changing rapidly there as you can see in these videos. LE can't control the assaults and suggests that citizens just avoid going to some public places.
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So where is the Hollywood outrage? Why aren't the Hollywood Hypocrites speaking out?
Let me know when you post the information with reports from respected news source, not amateur videos.
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