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Obstruction has nothing to do with the inaccurate projections and incorrect assumptions.
It does cast the current projections in a poor light. Since both the ppaca and the ahca deal with health insurance, how the government pays for it and themethods of payment disbursement, it is reasonable to assume if they got the papa estimates wrong, by as much as double digit percentages, then this analysis too is off. Way off. The papa analysis was unrealistically rosy. The ahca analysis is unnecessarily pessimistic.
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So what? That doesn't invalidate this study. The CBO couldn't have predicted that the GOP would obstruct the ACA's implementation.
This is not a flaw in the study, it is a criticism of the CBO's past predictions.
Obstruction has nothing to do with the inaccurate projections and incorrect assumptions.
That's totally absurd, of course it does.
How could the CBO have predicted that the GOP would undermine it's implementation?
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It does cast the current projections in a poor light. Since both the ppaca and the ahca deal with health insurance, how the government pays for it and themethods of payment disbursement, it is reasonable to assume if they got the papa estimates wrong, by as much as double digit percentages, then this analysis too is off. Way off. The papa analysis was unrealistically rosy. The ahca analysis is unnecessarily pessimistic.
I don't care about what light they are being cast in. This is a weak argument,basically an ad hominem.
What do we do with people not rich who are already sick or injured?
What happens to someone not rich who drops almost dead or in a near fatal car accident tomorrow?
What do we do with the rich who want HC insurance?
What did we do before "glorious" socialism -and- "health insurance"?
There were private hospitals and clinics, many operated by charitable organizations.
Not only did they offer "free" care (charity wards), but they had paying customers, too.
And the cost was FAR LESS, due to the lack of "takers" lined up to skim from the patient and the physician.
COST INCREASE : 40,725% increase ($1,629/$4)
($1,629/$4 = 407.25 X 100 = 40725%)
(Somebody has to pay for all the bureaucracy, paper work, clerks, adjusters, investigators, supervisors, guys in clown suits, etc, etc.)
This is the result of government meddling in medicine for over 120 years.
Yes, there are statistics that show the 3:1 ratio made premiums for those aged 50-65 more affordable. Yes, there are statistics that show premiums dropped for those aged 50-65. There were states that didn't have a ratio at all. And insurance companies are going to charge as much as they can.
Yes, younger folks made up the difference in premium prices on the ACA plan.
We do know what's proposed, and that is what is being discussed.
Those folks over the age of 50 are going to get hammered if this new legislation goes into effect. People who need insurance the most won't be able to afford it. People will be filing bankruptcy and losing their homes when they should be preparing to retire. What a great plan!
Well would you provide a link. I could not find any studies the predictions were based on and so far no one has been able to help me out.
My experience as over 50 is that my premiums increased under obamacare.
What did we do before "glorious" socialism -and- "health insurance"?
There were private hospitals and clinics, many operated by charitable organizations.
Not only did they offer "free" care (charity wards), but they had paying customers, too.
And the cost was FAR LESS, due to the lack of "takers" lined up to skim from the patient and the physician.
COST INCREASE : 40,725% increase ($1,629/$4)
($1,629/$4 = 407.25 X 100 = 40725%)
(Somebody has to pay for all the bureaucracy, paper work, clerks, adjusters, investigators, supervisors, guys in clown suits, etc, etc.)
This is the result of government meddling in medicine for over 120 years.
You keep posting this.
Before glorious socialism, there was NO treatment for cancer. Limited treatment for heart disease and diabetes. Many more women died in childbirth. Many more people of all socioeconomic levels died of things that are preventable, curable, or manageable today.
Before glorious socialism, there was NO treatment for cancer. Limited treatment for heart disease and diabetes. Many more women died in childbirth. Many more people of all socioeconomic levels died of things that are preventable, curable, or manageable today.
Nobody has actual PREMIUMS for anyone on anything. This is pure conjecture and I'm not worked up with "the sky is falling" stories anymore. I wasn't paying much attention to the ACA because I had a company group policy at the time, but the result was that I opted for COBRA when I needed to make a change, because the ACA was more $$ and offered little in my area full of medical professionals and hospitals. I couldn't even see my long time dermatologist under an individual plan anymore because he was in a different zip code or something. Maybe it depends on where you are or how the ACA was implemented but CA screwed the pooch all around. I was supposed to keep my Dr's and have lower premiums and a wide choice of plans. NOPE.
No presidential administration is perfect, and I know most older Americans and those in the American heartland love him. But I'm noticing that they're being left by the wayside, and I'm concerned about how many people are going to find themselves in a situation they have no realistic options in.
I hate it when people say "they voted for him, they deserve it" -- I don't enjoy others suffering, especially if it's feasibly preventable.
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