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USA's version of rationing: Lose insurance and die. How's that for you?
Kind of a lame response don't you think..... How'd you like to face this scenario? A "trolly" is a gurney btw.
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Nearly 80,000 seriously ill patients spent more than four hours waiting on trolleys to be treated after being admitted to A&E, with an unprecedented 988 patients waiting on trolleys for longer than 12 hours.
The number of 12-hour trolley waits has risen from 550 in December and is up six times since January last year, when 158 people waited more than 12 hours for treatment.
In January 2015, 650 patients waited more than 12 hours to be treated. Some hospitals have said they are now using “corridor nurses” to cope with a severe lack of available beds.
One less half- or un-employable loser using resources better used by the wealthy.
Really? Please show some facts that back up your assertions because as far as I know if any sick person presents themselves at a hospital they are treated regardless of their bank account or lack thereof...
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The Government needs to look at funding and indeed possible tax rises and it should be noted that the NHS is far cheaper to operate and more efficient than the US Healthcare system.
Really? Please show some facts that back up your assertions because as far as I know if any sick person presents themselves at a hospital they are treated regardless of their bank account or lack thereof...
Absolute BS. Try getting any care without insurance. Unless you are closer to death they will just shrug you off and hound you with bills. You have to be basically in an immediate life threatening situation to receive any kind of meaninful help, not necessary competent or helpful, and at that point it is too late in many cases. If you count on hospital generocity, see a shrink asap, you live in a delusionary world.
Of course, when you go public, there will still be people turned away for critical health saving services. Expenses can only be so much before you're out of budget.
So basically the Single Payer System hurts the middle and upper-middle class the most in favor of the poor. The reason it hurts the upper-middle classes is their current plans provide much better coverage than anything on this public plan.
The wealthy are hurt as well but they will always be able to get the best health services and pay out of pocket and around those waiting lines and rationing.
So, I always ask, should we really favor the poor over the upper-middle classes? The poor who are by definition not very productive members of society over our successful white-collard classes (lawyers, doctors, engineers)?
Like I said, it's a race to the bottom. This is a reason why upward class mobility is much harder in Europe - their upper-middle classes are slammed and it's this class that transitions into wealthy with hard work, a breakthrough, or just years of intelligent saving.
So do you think that if a poor person comes into emergency with a heart attack and a rich person comes in with a sprained ankle the doctors should leave the heart attack victim to serve the rich person? Of course you mustn't but otherwise your comments make little sense. Health service is decided by need not my your worth and if you are looking at worth I think a snow plow operator is worth more to society than an investment banker but you might think differently. So if ten people need a knee operation they go in the order of either first come first operated on or the most serve first and the least needed last. Going in the order of how much money they have is not the way.
But your system is best if you think poor people should get only what is left over from the worthy folks? What about the children of the poor? Are they only of value according to their parents worth and earnings?
As a Canadian I like the fact that working or not, old or young when I go to the hospital I am waited on according to my needs not my wealth. I show my heath care card and after that everything is decided on by my needs not my wealth but I know there are some waiting times, especially for elective surgery but all the people I know that have urgent health care needs gets to see the help they need and we all have the right to have annual check ups or go see a health care professional if we suspect that there is something wrong so that we can catch problems early. This might be why we have a lower infant mortality rate or a longer life expectancy.
When you claim that it is treating the poor in favour of the middle class what you are actually opposed to is the treatment of the poor the same as the treatment of the middle class and you think that is a bad thing to do as they are not as important as you. Some of the poor are the ones who create the food you eat, and provide the services you need. They are people and they and their families are just as good as you are. If having a single payer system means you need to treat them as equals and that bothers you I can see why you would be opposed to it.
You can find all sorts of anecdotal stories all over the developed world. Especially if right wingers use the tactic of cutting funding and point at the inevitable result and say its time to privatize.
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