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Thats the thing. If the poor elderly had been given a proper safety net and benefited, in other words, if there was no means testing, people would care less about some alcoholic also benefiting from it. Thats how all successful public programs work. And that is why the donor class puppets dont want to expand the benefits to ordinary tax payers because they know it will be too popular.
Income limits/means testing is meant to rile up the middle class. New Deal Democrats are against means testing. Only the GOP and corporate democrats support such systems because they are beholden to the big money donor class.
Are you serious? Just look at what people are posting here, now!
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Originally Posted by GHOSTRIDER AZ
If you like or choose to believe it. Gov. Agencies for decades have burn up budgets to get more. Especially when they find out they did not burn up the budget they are currently in. I have seen this first had in the Army and in Ft. Lewis Commanders would routinely keep troops in the field to burn up budget.
I think this is where the problem lies and Trump and many of us think that these agencies are sand bagging their budgets! Al government Agencies if there is a surplus (if that is possible)should not get a bigger budget for the next fiscal year.
If we cut 15 % off the top to save money force our government to be more thoughtful of spending, in the end America will come out head.
If you like or choose to believe it. Gov. Agencies for decades have burn up budgets to get more. Especially when they find out they did not burn up the budget they are currently in.
I have seen this first had in the Army and in Ft. Lewis Commanders would routinely keep troops in the field to burn up budget.
I think this is where the problem lies and Trump and many of us think that these agencies are sand bagging their budgets! Al government Agencies if there is a surplus (if that is possible)should not get a bigger budget for the next fiscal year.
If we cut 15 % off the top to save money force our government to be more thoughtful of spending, in the end America will come out head.
it's a big budget. cut something else besides hot meals to homebound old people and kids after school.
or let trump cut back his weekly expenditures to mar largo.
Are you serious? Just look at what people are posting here, now!
People dont like means tested/income limits programs. They are meant to rile up the middle class because only a very small section of society get the benefits, unlike programs like Medicare and Social Security. Means testing/income limits also stigmatize the recipients of those programs. The purpose is to drive a wedge between various groups of the 99%. Creating universal programs funded by universal taxes is the stuff of nightmares for the donor class.
Expansion of Medicare and boosting SS, SSDI and SSI which would revolutionize the public safety net for the 99% would be wildly popular once implemented. The financial overlords of the people in Congress who fund their campaigns know this.
People dont like means tested/income limits programs. They are meant to rile up the middle class because only a very small section of society get the benefits, unlike programs like Medicare and Social Security. Means testing/income limits also stigmatize the recipients of those programs. The purpose is to drive a wedge between various groups of the 99%. Creating universal programs funded by universal taxes is the stuff of nightmares for the donor class.
Expansion of Medicare and boosting SS, SSDI and SSI which would revolutionize the public safety net for the 99% would be wildly popular once implemented. The financial overlords of the people in Congress who fund their campaigns know this.
MOW is not means tested, at least not everywhere. When my mom got them, you did have to be homebound, that is, needing help to go outside the home. Dr. appts, etc were OK.
About the same percentage point difference when comparing the percent of tax revenue from taxes on income, profits, and capital gains (personal and corporate):
Sweden: 35%
United States: 48%
So, you're still wrong. And you're miffed that the truth invalidates your ideology.
Read this again so it sinks in... Sweden's tax revenue from VAT and other flat regressive taxes that EVERYONE pays is higher than their tax revenue from income, profit, and capital gains tax (both personal and corporate).
Their wealth and income lies in the middle there, not the top like in America.
That's actually not true. In America, the bottom 90% earn more than the top 10%, but pays only 29% of the federal income tax revenue. So if tax revenue needs to be increased, that bottom 90% who are paying less than their fair share need to step it up.
Wealth isn't taxed in the US, with the exception of an estate (inheritance) tax. Sweden doesn't even have an estate tax.
With all that wealth, why do so many retirees have zero net worth and live on Social Security?
They didn't contribute to their 401Ks/IRAs, or didn't get a public employee job (local, state, or federal) which always have lavish pensions. More bad planning. Again, not adequately preparing oneself to earn the lifestyle one wants is a personal choice.
What misleading hooey! An EFFECTIVE tax rate is the percentage of tax on TOTAL income, not just CASH income. I want to see the percentage of tax as a percentage of total income - including untaxed income such as employee benefits, homeowner exclusions, etc.
You won't see that because the US doesn't tax that. And that is universally applied to everyone who qualifies, rich and poor, alike.
Similarly, European and Scandinavian countries don't tax such things. And the US doesn't tax Food Stamp, Medicaid, TANF, welfare, Section 8, etc., benefits either.
I strongly suggest that some of the more-sensitized at this site read Steinbeck's The Grapes of Wrath, Tortilla Flat, Cannery Row or Sweet Thursday: all of them contain accounts of how a system functioned, and made ends meet, with a much smaller amount of resources at the time of the nation's deepest economic crisis. Times were hard and people suffered, but except for the completely reclusive and uncooperative, nobody died.
I strongly suggest you read The Grapes of Wrath again.
Some people cannot,they rely on this program like crazy!!
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Especially when they find out they did not burn up the budget they are currently in. 
