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I strongly suggest that some of the more-sensitized at this site read Steinbeck's The Grapes of Wrath, Tortilla Flat, Cannery Row or Sweet Thursday: all of them contain accounts of how a system functioned, and made ends meet, with a much smaller amount of resources at the time of the nation's deepest economic crisis. Times were hard and people suffered, but except for the completely reclusive and uncooperative, nobody died.
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Originally Posted by Ohiogirl81
I strongly suggest you read The Grapes of Wrath again.
I encourage that as well.
Steinbeck wrote about the impact of hard times on those who live near the edge.
People did indeed die during those times.
The ending of The Grapes of Wrath had a man who was starving to death for, crying out loud.
In other words, a massively expensive program with millions of people locked up and which will act as a weapon against working class Americans who have to compete against this free prison labor system (it will be like a mini China inside America). And the health care costs for this program will of course be through the roof as addicts simply cant work and will get terribly sick. It also opens up a new war against rural America where the drug addiction is rampant after decades of anti-worker trade deals and war against the 99%. They turn to drugs and alcohol. Middle aged white men are seeing a decline in their life expectancy as a result of this.
You are apparently even more naïve, in matters of both economics and statistics, than you present yourself.
We already have an "inmate nation" and vagrants and other societal dead weight constantly drift into and out of it, A system of vagrancy reformatories, well-publicized and with serious "teeth". just might provide some incentive for the more astute among the societal debris to stay out of it.
And anyone who thinks the direct cost of incarcerating vagrants at forced labor wouldn't negate any possible revenue is fooling him/herself; but it still might be worth it if it results in cleaner, safer streets.
The riffraff can hit rock bottom and bounce back to confront a basic sense of duty, or they can continue to fall through the cracks until they splatter; the choice should be up to them -- not to the responsible citizens they victimize.
FYI, I spend about half my time in a predominately-white, rural area where the drugs of choice are methedrine and steroid, sometimes culminating in heroin. The options are either a hard choice while they're still young and might have a shot at redemption, or a sure dead end.
Portland has high rents, low wages, neighborhood food banks with food, and childless burger flippers who actually get food.
Low wages in Portland, you must mean Portland Maine, huh? because in about 4 months the minimum wage in Multnomah County Oregon will be $11.25 an hour, but I am not sure what any of this has to do with my post, it would be helpful if you could put it into some kind of context.
I suggest you get the dead weights off the dole and maybe people would be less angry.
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Originally Posted by 2nd trick op
You are apparently even more naïve, in matters of both economics and statistics, than you present yourself.
We already have an "inmate nation" and vagrants and other societal dead weight constantly drift into and out of it, A system of vagrancy reformatories, well-publicized and with serious "teeth". just might provide some incentive for the more astute among the societal debris to stay out of it.
And anyone who thinks the direct cost of incarcerating vagrants at forced labor wouldn't negate any possible revenue is fooling him/herself; but it still might be worth it if it results in cleaner, safer streets.
The riffraff can hit rock bottom and bounce back to confront a basic sense of duty, or they can continue to fall through the cracks until they splatter; the choice should be up to them -- not to the responsible citizens they victimize.
FYI, I spend about half my time in a predominately-white, rural area where the drugs of choice are methedrine and steroid, sometimes culminating in heroin. The options are either a hard choice while they're still young and might have a shot at redemption, or a sure dead end.
Where do you two get the idea, despite several posts to the contrary, that MOW is an "entitlement".
And anyone who thinks the direct cost of incarcerating vagrants at forced labor wouldn't negate any possible revenue is fooling him/herself; but it still might be worth it if it results in cleaner, safer streets.
Sure..just like they do in North Korea, that's a great idea. Maybe we should adopt their policy of "three generations of punishment" too
Where do you two get the idea, despite several posts to the contrary, that MOW is an "entitlement".
And where do some of the people here get the idea that vagrancy and parasitism are respectable, or even sustainable options?
I have already posted that I have no option to a basic, but locally (and closely) overseen "safety net" -- MOW as part of it; my objection is directed toward those who seek to make a "living" out of abusing it.
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Sure..just like they do in North Korea, that's a great idea.
Except that North Korea doesn't have an open, capitalist economy where a person has the option of trying to better his life without Big Brother's "help".
(And if the word "capitalist" offends you, I suggest you apply to Pyongyang for a visa).
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And where do some of the people here get the idea that vagrancy and parasitism are respectable, or even sustainable options?
I have already posted that I have no option to a basic, but locally (and closely) overseen "safety net" -- MOW as part of it; my objection is directed toward those who seek to make a "living" out of abusing it.
Except that North Korea doesn't have an open, capitalist economy where a person has the option of trying to better his life without Big Brother's "help".
(And if the word "capitalist" offends you, I suggest you apply to Pyongyang for a visa).
So people who get MOW are vagrants and parasites who abuse it? What's your evidence for said vagrancy, parasitism and abuse? I think I'm done here.
This is fake news but what else is new? Trump never cut these meals.
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