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Old 03-17-2017, 08:01 AM
 
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Old 03-17-2017, 08:04 AM
 
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Indeed. Like the false claim that Trump paid no taxes in 20 years followed by the indignation of the Trump deranged, there is most likely more to this than being revealed.
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Old 03-17-2017, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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It's SO entertaining to watch this dumpster fire of an "administration."

It's like a clumsy tango of retarded elephants slipping, flopping, and spinning in circles across a greasy dance floor. Spicer bumps into Bannon, who knocks down Priebus, who spills kool-aid all over tRump, who then bellows psychotically.

The big question remains: are there any adults in this group?

What a bunch of amateurs.

Poor old Spicer has to follow Trump around with this... https://image.cagle.com/191080/1155/191080.png
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Old 03-17-2017, 08:07 AM
 
Location: SA
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Yet Obama's administration did wire-tap Angela Merkel (Germany) and former President Dilma Rouseff in Brazil.

Is it really that far fetched and ridiculous that Trump was not monitored?

Who cares what a British Spy agency thinks anyway?

Does that make it case-closed nothing to see here because a foreign spy agency said so?

One thing is wiretapping two foreign nationals in a foreign country (I imagine the CIA would be involved), allies or not. And another thing is to wiretap a US citizen in US soil. Quite different in a lot of levels.
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Old 03-17-2017, 08:08 AM
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Location: Great Britain
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This quote clearly demonstrates how close GCHQ and the NSA are, and GCHQ is very useful to the NSA has US Laws and the constitution do not apply to it, so it can freely gather information on US Citizens.

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The relationship between the NSA and GCHQ is far closer than the relationship between the NSA and the CIA, says Bamford.

“The NSA and GCHQ are like twin brothers.”And for good reason. GCHQ has access to all the satellites across Europe and the transatlantic cables which are a rich source of intelligence for the NSA.When workers at GCHQ’s Cheltenham headquarters went on strike for a week (strikes are now banned at GCHQ), the NSA took up the slack.

And when the NSA’s director, Michael Hayden, received a phone call alerting him that all the NSA’s computers had crashed in 2000, GCHQ stepped in to cover.“General Michael Hayden was at home, around seven o’clock on a Sunday night, and the guy in charge of the operation centre called up and said, ‘All the computers have crashed.’ And Hayden said something like, ‘which one?

’ He said, ‘All of them.’ And then they kept it a secret for about a week. That was a big deal,” says Bamford.

Pat and Louis – the antennas

Bamford has uncovered close financial links between the two organisations. In the early 1980s, for example, he obtained documents which showed the NSA had paid for two large antennas at GCHQ’s intelligence-gathering facility near Bude in Cornwall.

The then director of GCHQ was so grateful that he wrote to his counterpart at the NSA, Pat Carter, saying the dishes should be named “Pat”, after him, and “Louis”, after his deputy director, Louis Tordella.

“They talked about how ‘our employees are in bed with each other’ and ‘should we pull the sheets up tight’. But that’s the way it’s been – GCHQ people at NSA, and NSA out here in the UK,” he says.

The relationship between GCHQ, the NSA and the other Five Eyes partners is a complex one.

Bamford had sight of one document in the Snowden archive that showed that US policy is to honour its agreements with its collaborators only if it is convenient to do so.

“It was fascinating, because it stated in black and white that the US would honour its agreements with its partners – unless there is a reason not to,” says Bamford.“So it made no sense.

If one side can unilaterally go against the nature of the agreement, then there really isn’t an agreement, right?”

US citizens protected by law

While in theory there are laws to protect US citizens from being monitored by the NSA, there are few similar protections for UK, or other non-US, citizens.

“There is nothing at all legally, or any other way, preventing the NSA from eavesdropping on non-US citizens,” says Bamford.

If anything, GCHQ has fewer legal constraints than its larger counterpart, he says. “There are things that GCHQ does that I don’t think the NSA could get away with.”German news magazine Der Speigel, for example, exposed a “dirty tricks” unit in GCHQ, dubbed My Networks Operations Centre (MYNOC).

One of its tasks was to create fake LinkedIn pages, infected with malware. It used them to target engineers working at the Belgian mobile phone company, Belgacom, opening up a gateway into the phone company’s networks, and its customers’ mobile phones for an extensive surveillance operation.

“That’s an area that I think would be a little beyond the pale for NSA. But for GCHQ and this organisation MYNOC, there’s almost no limit to what they do,” he says.More recently, GCHQ has admitted in court that it carries out Computer Network Exploitation (CNE) – in other words hacking – in the UK and overseas.

The agency has the ability to turn on microphones and cameras on electronic devices without the owner’s knowledge, identify a person’s location and to make copies of personal documents.

The projects have fanciful names, such as Nosey Smurf, which plants malware to turn on smartphone microphones; Dreamy Smurf, for switching on smartphones; and Paranoid Smurf, for hiding malware on mobile devices.GCHQ told the court that the measures are proportionate, and conducted under strict legal safeguards. Opponents argue that the warrants are so broad they could allow GCHQ to legally hack all the phones in a city.

Interview: James Bamford on surveillance, Snowden and technology companies - Computer Weekly
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Old 03-17-2017, 08:09 AM
 
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Isn't that the truth.
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Old 03-17-2017, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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Trump could be one of the weakest leaders the U.S. has ever had. I still can't believe he is president everyday when I wake up.



What !!!!!!!!!! You mean this isn't all a bad dream ???????? I thought it was that late night pizza !
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Old 03-17-2017, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Florida
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It looks like not only the UK twist was invented by FOX, but the entire wiretapping hoax was invented by FOX, and the White House took it for fact. And of course there was the "look at what happened in Sweden last night" fake news also from FOX.

Mr President, turn off the FOX and Breitbart, and use your telephone to verify the news.
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Old 03-17-2017, 08:32 AM
 
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Just found this after my previous post:
US makes formal apology to Britain after White House accuses GCHQ of wiretapping Trump Tower
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Old 03-17-2017, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Is it too hard for this admin to pick up the phone and call the intelligence guys as opposed to parroting everything they hear on FOX?

Maybe FOX should also learn from this. They have a reputation of making up stuff, but it was not exposed in the way it is now that Trump is repeating their "sfuff" for fact.
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