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View Poll Results: In general, what are your views on government wealth-redistribution policies? (Select all answers th
Government wealth-redistribution policies can be morally acceptable. 16 30.19%
Government wealth-redistribution policies are never morally acceptable. 22 41.51%
Government wealth-redistribution policies ultimately tend to strengthen a nation. 15 28.30%
Government wealth-redistribution policies ultimately tend to weaken a nation. 18 33.96%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 53. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-18-2017, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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So, it would benefit you if you are taxed to buy poor people cars to lower your rusk of being car jacked. You would benefit by being taxed to buy televisions for the poor who brake into homes to steal them.

What percentage of your income would you be willing to pay?
Why are you using a strawman argument? It is a very lazy way to debate
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Old 03-18-2017, 07:43 AM
 
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That has been practicing wealth distribution from it's very inception which every single one of you has benefitted from in some fashion.
Really, what wealth redistribution was going on in 1805 and at what levels? Let's see those specifics.
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Old 03-18-2017, 07:44 AM
 
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Why are you using a strawman argument? It is a very lazy way to debate
Obviously, you didn't read the post I responded to, did you?
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Old 03-18-2017, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Obviously, you didn't read the post I responded to, did you?
I did, and it made a valid point. Without redistribution, have nots will steal from haves rather than starve to death. Rather than argue the point, you used a strawman argument 😒
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Old 03-18-2017, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Houston
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Your whole argument is bogus, because the 20,000 children a day that you say are dying from poverty are not in this country, and this discussion is basically about diverting wealth within this country.

The poorest people in the US are not even really living in poverty as compared to the rest of the world.

Lets solve our own problem before we try to tackle the rest of the worlds poverty stricken.
Yep, people are actually dying from malnutrition in other nations and we worry about people with cars, cable and a/c.
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Old 03-18-2017, 07:53 AM
 
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I did, and it made a valid point. Without redistribution, have nots will steal from haves rather than starve to death. Rather than argue the point, you used a strawman argument 😒
Yes, the poster did say that. And my response:

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Originally Posted by PedroMartinez View Post
So, it would benefit you if you are taxed to buy poor people cars to lower your rusk of being car jacked. You would benefit by being taxed to buy televisions for the poor who brake into homes to steal them.

What percentage of your income would you be willing to pay?
Oh, this is just too funny.
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Old 03-18-2017, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Take your pick:

There are 10 countries without income taxes:

UAE
Omen
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Saudi Arabia*
Kuwait*
Bahrain*

Monaco

Bahamas**
Bermuda**
Cayman Islands**

* social security ( old age and health care) payroll taxes

** social security and import duties apply

Last edited by middle-aged mom; 03-18-2017 at 08:37 AM..
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Old 03-18-2017, 08:27 AM
 
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There are 10 countries without income taxes:

UAE
Omen
Quatar
Saudi Arabia
Kuwait
Bahrain

Bermuda
Cayman Islands


Bermuda imposes a Payroll tax on employers and employees and a substantial land tax.

Both Bermuda and Cayman impose high duty taxes.

The cost of living in Bermuda and Cayman is very high.

Both countries are heavily dependent on tourism.
Monaco doesn't have a income tax. A good friend of mine converted his assets over there, and retired.
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Old 03-18-2017, 08:29 AM
 
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as a nation we should have tax law that encourages earnings and productive behavior, but discourages wealth accumulation. Compare the following examples of highly-successful people :

Example #1, a surgeon might make $500,000 per year and a professional athlete might make $5,000,000 per year. These are earnings that represent productive behavior and ought to be encouraged by lower taxation.

compare this to example #2, someone who has accumulated $40,000,000 and now sits in a lawn chair while that money grows at 7% per year. Maybe they earned their money over the years, maybe they inherited it, but it doesn't really matter -- these accumulated capital returns are not earnings that represent productive behavior, they represent passive wealth accumulation.

Example #1 should be taxed lower than Example #2. People who are in the process of building wealth should be given a lower tax burden than people who've already accumulated it.
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Old 03-18-2017, 08:33 AM
 
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as a nation we should have tax law that encourages earnings and productive behavior, but discourages wealth accumulation


so for example #1, a surgeon might make $500,000 per year and a professional athlete might make $5,000,000 per year. These are earnings that represent productive behavior.

compare this to example #2, someone who has accumulated $40,000,000 through a lifetime of working (as a pro athlete or surgeon, maybe) and now sits in a lawn chair while that money grows at 7% per year. These are not earnings that represent productive behavior, they represent wealth accumulation.

Example #1 should be taxed lower than Example #2.
We should just have a VAT tax. The person sitting on his wealth already paid taxes earning it, or his parents did.
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