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i offered lots, try reading the whole thread instead of jumping to the bottom and attacking.
I see you being totally confused by Northern Ireland vs British politics and not knowing the difference. You jumped the shark when you brought Gerry Adams into it.
Beyond that, you haven't offered any proof there weren't Irish slaves.
Slavery existed in Europe for 1000s of years and the vast majority of those slaves were White. At the time this took place England, Spain and Portugal were all setting up Slave economies in the New world. It's clear enough that the slaves were not just limited to Blacks from Africa.
I see you being totally confused by Northern Ireland vs British politics and not knowing the difference. You jumped the shark when you brought Gerry Adams into it.
Beyond that, you haven't offered any proof there weren't Irish slaves.
I see you know nothing about Ireland . Adams is an IRISH politician, not Northern Ireland he switched to Ireland some years back at a guess i would say 2010-2012. and think he represents louth which is a border county...
As to proving the irish slaves or otherwise, please just stop. you know very well the burden of proof lies with the person making extraordinary claims, and i have provided about a dozen good solid links showing that international consensus is in agreement that the Irish "slave myth" is in fact a white supremacist lie.
4th post in this thread is more than enough. You are throwing away your credibility by repeatedly denying what everyone can see.
The Irish Catholic Church maintained excellent records, they recorded birth marriage , death etc who is related to who etc over the course of many hundreds of years.
the records exist today and there were no mass departures until late 1700s, well after the slave lie is supposed to have happened.
the families are easy to trace, if they left, or were stolen away there would be a million or more records showing birth, marriage and no deaths... yet there is no such missing death recordings. the records are clear and show that people did not start to leave until much later 1840s is when the "cĂłnra-long" records clearly show the diaspora picking up steam.
the thing about lying on the internet is that you are going to run into FACTS.
Irish slaves is a lie. The irish diaspora on the other is real and a very interesting read. People paid their life savings to get on those coffin ships, death was common .
In fact it was very much like the refugees you see today. The Irish were fleeing persecution, their lands were being stolen, rents were too high and the crops were being exported while the peasants were starving.
there was no slave trade of any kind.
Thank you.
As far as indentured servants, there was an end to it.
Every race on the planet has been enslaved by another races on the planet. This even went on in the 20th century when the Germans & Japanese used slaves to build their war machines during WWII. Go read up on the Burma Railway if you want to know more.
It's folly indeed for members of a single race to believe they are the only ones whose far off ancestors were the only ones who suffered under slavery.
That the Irish were slaves is a myth. No truth to it at all. If you think so, read this article.
That being said, the Irish were treated terribly in this country in the mid 1850s or so.
When railroads were being built in the south, especially in swampy Florida, before the Civil War, the railroads had a choice to use either black slaves or regular laborers (mostly whites). It came down to economics. Slaves cost a lot of money to own and to feed and to shelter and to clothe, etc, and if one died of malaria or other swamp diseases then a major loss occurred. The actual attitude of the railroad builders was that Irishmen were cheap to hire, you paid them little, usually in liquor, and if one died of malaria you just buried him in the swamp and hired another semi-starving Irishman fresh off the boat.
When the Civil War came along, it seemed that a notable amount of Union troops were Irish lads, often from New York City. The practice during that war was that you could weasel your way out of the draft if you could find someone to take your place, so a lot of well to do New Yorkers paid Irish lads to take their place. Look at the roster of Civil War units, you'll see tons of obviously Irish names there.
The Irish weren't slaves, but it seems they almost had it worse than actual slaves, given such low pay and they had to buy everything they needed with that meager pay. I've been poor and it sucks; and when I read accounts of poverty from that era I just shake my head at how bad it was and it lasted right up to about WW-1.
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Years ago I stumbled across the saga of the so-called Red Legs, the descendants of the Irish who Cromwell transported to the West Indies. There have been a couple of books written about the remnants of the population in Barbados. I don't know about any history in the US but life in the West Indies was more brutal for all subordinate populations. Over the centuries most eventually emigrated to the United States, their history lost. Others intermarried within the local black community.
A portion, though, remained isolated in wretchedly poor interior communities with cross-breeding contributing to their decline. They are at the very bottom of the Barbadian social scale. That they survived at all is due, in large part, to charity from the local black neighbors who they as "whites" refused to join. You can find lots of photos on the web.
... It seems that time has not erased the effects of ill treatment and degradation. Their ancestors would have been branded, lashed by planters, mortgaged, sold, gambled or given as debts. They became a wretched, isolated and suppressed community. History relates that the Red Legs were an ambitionless and lazy group. But, marred by class distinction, afflicted by cruelty, malnutrition, the difficulty of labouring under a strong sun, high susceptibility to and dire effects of infections and diseases, it’s said that it was difficult for members of this community to have any self-respect, let alone have the energy or inclination to work.
There IS a political message to the story - but maybe one that differs from those discussed in other posts. A couple of centuries earlier the English treated another population with a like cruelty resulting in repercussions that survive to this day - the Scots-Irish. Entirely different group - both in origin and history - that emigrated to America and contributed a lot to American culture. The disdain of the Scots-Irish for authority (the English and Scots kings) probably is a factor in the instinctive distrust many Americans have of "big government" - a take that differs for Americans more influenced by cultural contributions from the English-origin settlers.
Hmm, were Irish forcibly bred and had their children removed from them to be sold away? Did they die by the tens of thousands being transported like cattle across an ocean? Forced to be second-class citizens in their own country for 100 years after obtaining their freedom?
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