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View Poll Results: Veterans Should Come Before Illegals
Agree 84 94.38%
Disagree 5 5.62%
Voters: 89. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-18-2017, 07:15 AM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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What about a illegal vet?
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Illegal aliens can't lawfully serve in our military.
Actually, as of 2014, they could, at least for a short period, under very limited circumstances:

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A small number of undocumented immigrants in the U.S. will have an opportunity to join the military for the first time in decades under a new Department of Defense policy unveiled Thursday.

The new rules will expand an existing program allowing recruiters to target foreign nationals with high-demand skills, mostly rare foreign language expertise or specialized health care training.

For the first time, the program — known as Military Accessions in the National Interest, or MAVNI — will be open to immigrants without a proper visa if they came to the U.S. with their parents before age 16. More specifically, they must be approved under a 2012 Obama administration policy known as Deferred Action for Child Arrivals, or DACA.
There have also been a few that served with faked papers, most were in the Army or Marines. The number is TINY, as in less than 100, even if combining both catagories.
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The Dreamers will only make the cut, however, if they successfully fill out a 127-page form that asks whether they have been terrorists, hold advanced degrees, and can speak Cebuano, Igbo, Yoruba, and a host of other rare languages. What's more, they'll be competing for only 1,500 open slots against thousands of legal immigrants with non-permanent visas who have already applied under the same criteria.
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Old 03-18-2017, 07:15 AM
 
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How about Vets before millionaires ? or Vets before the military industrial complex, or Vets before capital gains tax breaks or even Vets before Congress.

Does anyone disagree with any of the above ?

BTW it is hardly a mutually exclusive proposition. The best thing we can do for Vets is improve the VA and stop making new veterans.
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Old 03-18-2017, 07:26 AM
 
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Do you realize how stupid that statement is ? Of course Vets are important to us, we treat our soldiers like crap when they leave the service. But that subject has nothing to do with immigrants.



As much as you on the right dislike it, the fact is, America is going to have people move here from other places...........they always have, always will. We realize Trump and his cult would love to fence off the entire country and let no one in, but that is not how it works or how America became as great as we are.

If we went with your isolation beliefs, we would exclude a lot of very talented, very dedicated people from moving here and contributing to our country. Not every immigrant is Hell bent on bringing bombs with them, contrary to what Trump thinks in that little soggy mind of his. Most are just like you and me, and simply want a better life for themselves and their families.

Yeah, I know. In one ear and out the other.
And there is a legal way and an illegal way to move here, do you have the ability to understand which one trump is trying to take care of?

Yea yea yea....blah blah blah......it's not who we are, its not blah blah blah......
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Old 03-18-2017, 07:31 AM
 
Location: City Data Land
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Good grief. Here we go again. And what about that B.S. line in which Trump promised to "unite us?" That's yet another lie apparently. He's separated us by legal vs. illegal, refugee vs. immigrant vs. citizen, "American" vs. other, Muslim vs. Christian, Democrat vs. Republican, on and on. Illegals are the enemy. Are you happy now OP?
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Old 03-18-2017, 07:48 AM
 
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Good grief. Here we go again. And what about that B.S. line in which Trump promised to "unite us?" That's yet another lie apparently. He's separated us by legal vs. illegal, refugee vs. immigrant vs. citizen, "American" vs. other, Muslim vs. Christian, Democrat vs. Republican, on and on. Illegals are the enemy. Are you happy now OP?
It happened long before trump got here, or are you actually saying all this happened in the last 3 months?

Oh, and BTW....I guess this also was "just another B.S. line"

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There is not a liberal America and a conservative America—there is the United States of America. There is not a Black America and a White America and Latino America and Asian America—there's the United States of America.
Signed obama....and what happened?
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Old 03-18-2017, 08:05 AM
 
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Hard to believe that any Americans disagree with this. Do we live in a nation or not?
it doesn't make any sense to me.

it's too vague, and it isn't like "vets" and "illegals" are two mutually exclusive choices. It might as well say "babies before freight trains" or "grandpas before french people"
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Old 03-18-2017, 08:06 AM
 
Location: City Data Land
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Good grief. Here we go again. And what about that B.S. line in which Trump promised to "unite us?" That's yet another lie apparently. He's separated us by legal vs. illegal, refugee vs. immigrant vs. citizen, "American" vs. other, Muslim vs. Christian, Democrat vs. Republican, on and on. Illegals are the enemy. Are you happy now OP?
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It happened long before trump got here, or are you actually saying all this happened in the last 3 months?

Oh, and BTW....I guess this also was "just another B.S. line"

"There is not a liberal America and a conservative America—there is the United States of America. There is not a Black America and a White America and Latino America and Asian America—there's the United States of America."

Signed obama....and what happened?
Sigh. Back to Obama, who is not the president. But Obama is the only defense Trump supporters have. They certainly can't defend Trump by discussing his own actions, because he's acted very inappropriately throughout his short term. And Trump has done more to divide us that Obama ever did. He is even alienating us from our allies through his lies and bullying.
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Old 03-18-2017, 08:30 AM
 
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Sigh. Back to Obama, who is not the president. But Obama is the only defense Trump supporters have. They certainly can't defend Trump by discussing his own actions, because he's acted very inappropriately throughout his short term. And Trump has done more to divide us that Obama ever did. He is even alienating us from our allies through his lies and bullying.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh, I'm sorry, do you not like using left wing tactics on you?

obama and the left blamed bush for 8 years.....because you had zero ability to defend anything he did....if something went wrong, it was bush's fault because blah blah blah....

Because you disagree with it, it's wrong....hell merkel just said yesterday that they (germany) was not putting enough money into NATO.....tell us, how is that bullying?

It's amazing that when you tell the truth, to the left it is bullying.

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Trump said in a joint news conference with Merkel after their meetings. "These nations must pay what they owe."Merkel said Germany is increasing its NATO contributions, seeking to meet the organization's goal of 2% of gross domestic product;
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Old 03-18-2017, 08:40 AM
 
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it doesn't make any sense to me.

it's too vague, and it isn't like "vets" and "illegals" are two mutually exclusive choices. It might as well say "babies before freight trains" or "grandpas before french people"

You know what it means. It means our tax dollars should go to help our vets not illegal aliens.
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Old 03-18-2017, 08:40 AM
 
Location: One of the 13 original colonies.
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Do you realize how stupid that statement is ? Of course Vets are important to us, we treat our soldiers like crap when they leave the service. But that subject has nothing to do with immigrants.



As much as you on the right dislike it, the fact is, America is going to have people move here from other places...........they always have, always will. We realize Trump and his cult would love to fence off the entire country and let no one in, but that is not how it works or how America became as great as we are.

If we went with your isolation beliefs, we would exclude a lot of very talented, very dedicated people from moving here and contributing to our country. Not every immigrant is Hell bent on bringing bombs with them, contrary to what Trump thinks in that little soggy mind of his. Most are just like you and me, and simply want a better life for themselves and their families.

Yeah, I know. In one ear and out the other.

Americans have always welcomed people coming here legally. That is the American way. What is it about illegal immigration that you liberals do not understand?Come here the right way like all of the immigrants has in the past. To say the people on the right dislikes immigration is plain ignorance.

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