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Thinking conservatives haven't been pro Big-Business since the 80s, when Big Business abandoned even the pretense of supporting their interests - or US interests generally.
The GOP is swimming in big business bribe money. They are just an extended arm of the Chamber of Commerce, Wall Street and Big Oil and Trump's budget confirms that. No one has any illusions anymore that Trump would stand up to the most powerful special interests in America; Wall Street, Big Oil, the big pharma and insurance companies and the military industrial complex. Trump's budget confirms that.
The GOP is swimming in big business bribe money. They are just an extended arm of the Chamber of Commerce, Wall Street and Big Oil and Trump's budget confirms that. No one has any illusions anymore that Trump would stand up to the most powerful special interests in America; Wall Street, Big Oil, the big pharma and insurance companies and the military industrial complex. Trump's budget confirms that.
Even if that's true, it makes Trump no different than the Democrats.
Hillary's campaign was supported by $2 BILLION in Wall Street/corporate money.
Trump was actively OPPOSED by Wall Street and corporate America.
He owes them NOTHING.
I suggest the Democrats clean up their own house before criticizing others.
So you believe money in and of itself corrupts people ??? (im going by what was said in the video since it seems you are supporting it)
I do believe money always corrupts, but in often subtle ways.
The assumption of most people, is that if they were to win the lottery, they would stay the same person. Of course, that is NEVER what happens. The money always changes you, but not necessarily for the obvious reasons.
In the case of the lottery, it isn't that it necessarily changes you directly. But it changes the relationships you have with other people. Basically, people treat you differently. Often because they want something from you.
As a result, you are basically forced to treat them differently as well. And even to think of them differently.
Money always changes the dynamics of every relationship. And it isn't limited only to those with millions or billions of dollars. It affects all relationships all the way down to the very bottom. In large part because of power dynamics, insofar as money is the equivalent of power or status, so those with money, have more power/influence/position/respect/etc.
Its almost like someone who is tall, or someone who is attractive. The existence of these "superior qualities", has an effect on the way people interact with you, and thus it has an effect on your personality. You wouldn't be you, if you had been much taller, or shorter, or prettier.
"It is an interesting question how far men would retain their relative rank if they were divested of their clothes." - Henry David Thoreau
Moreover, once you have money, or wealth, or power, you have a need to protect it. As the saying goes, "Beware the man with nothing to lose".
But the man who has a lot to lose? He is easily controlled. He can more-or-less be bought, or at the very least, extorted/threatened/terrified.
Thus, the only way a man can't be corrupted by money to some degree, is if he neither wants it, or needs it.
But, if a politician depends on the money to maintain his position, then as long as he wants to keep his position, and understands why he received the money, and more-importantly, if he both needs more money, and knows what he must do to get it, then it will always influence his decisions.
I wouldn't say that money buys people directly. But more that, the need or desire for money, causes people to justify all kinds of things they would have opposed otherwise.
Basically, it isn't necessarily that money causes corruption, but that money and power, creates hypocrites. We are all hypocrites. And the more money you have, the more of a hypocrite you tend to be.
The GOP is swimming in big business bribe money. They are just an extended arm of the Chamber of Commerce, Wall Street and Big Oil and Trump's budget confirms that. No one has any illusions anymore that Trump would stand up to the most powerful special interests in America; Wall Street, Big Oil, the big pharma and insurance companies and the military industrial complex. Trump's budget confirms that.
Of course they are - your point being? Sounds like you're confusing today's GOP with conservatism.
Even if that's true, it makes Trump no different than the Democrats.
Hillary's campaign was supported by $2 BILLION in Wall Street/corporate money.
Trump was actively OPPOSED by Wall Street and corporate America.
He owes them NOTHING.
I suggest the Democrats clean up their own house before criticizing others.
Let me just preface that I am not a Democrat. I didnt even vote for Hillary.
That being said, Trump hired Wall Street fat cats as campaign finance chair and begged them for money during the campaign. Thats why he has hired half of Goldman Sachs, the most powerful economic force on Wall Street, as part of his administration. You are as deluded as democrats under Obama who thought Obama bringing in Wall Street big wigs into his administration was some type of chess move. No, its just the usual pay-for-play political corruption. And these financial overlords do not allow their politicians to serve the people. Notice how little the corporate Democrats actually talk about real pro-labor economic issues to oppose the extreme billionaire class agenda of Trump. Their donors do not allow them to. Instead they focus on social issues.
That being said, Trump hired Wall Street fat cats as campaign finance chair and begged them for money during the campaign. Thats why he has hired half of Goldman Sachs, the most powerful economic force on Wall Street, as part of his administration. You are as deluded as democrats under Obama who thought Obama bringing in Wall Street big wigs into his administration was some type of chess move. No, its just the usual pay-for-play political corruption. And these financial overlords do not allow their politicians to serve the people. Notice how little the corporate Democrats actually talk about real pro-labor economic issues to oppose the extreme billionaire class agenda of Trump. Their donors do not allow them to. Instead they focus on social issues.
Of course they are - your point being? Sounds like you're confusing today's GOP with conservatism.
Anyway, this has nothing to do with what I said.
The point being that the GOP you support is just an extended arm of the corrupt oligarchy that doesnt serve the people. You cant serve both big money and the people. You have to choose. As long as people refuse to fight to get big money out of politics and claim that legalized bribery is the "American Way", nothing is going to change. Trump has already nominated a supreme court justice who is a firm believer in this legalized corruption.
So you believe money in and of itself corrupts people ??? (im going by what was said in the video since it seems you are supporting it)
Let me clarify my position somewhat. Because you could assume that, if money corrupts, then those with the least money, would be the least corrupt. This isn't completely true as it applies to the real world. Obviously poor people tend to be pretty corrupt, hypocritical, selfish, greedy, etc.
So what is the real cause? Well, this quote I think really explains the world...
Quote:
"Those who labour in the earth are the chosen people of God, if ever he had a chosen people, whose breasts he has made his peculiar deposit for substantial and genuine virtue. It is the focus in which he keeps alive that sacred fire, which otherwise might escape from the face of the earth. Corruption of morals in the mass of cultivators is a phaenomenon of which no age nor nation has furnished an example. It is the mark set on those, who not looking up to heaven, to their own soil and industry, as does the husbandman, for their subsistence, depend for it on casualties and caprice of customers. Dependence begets subservience and venality, suffocates the germ of virtue, and prepares fit tools for the designs of ambition. This, the natural progress and consequence of the arts, has sometimes perhaps been retarded by accidental circumstances: but, generally speaking, the proportion which the aggregate of the other classes of citizens bears in any state to that of its husbandmen, is the proportion of its unsound to its healthy parts, and is a good enough barometer whereby to measure its degree of corruption." - Thomas Jefferson
Basically, it isn't so much that money corrupts, but that dependence corrupts. A politician is not someone who can gain or maintain his position on his own. His dependence on others is the root of his corruption. In a very real sense, he cannot survive without corruption, so what other choice does he have?
I often say that politics should be called "The end justifies the means", because that is what it is. If you can only win an election by sacrificing your principles. Then what good is it to keep your principles? Basically, what good does it do to lose?
Whether they will admit it or not, the rich are the most-dependent class on this Earth. They can only maintain their position through force. Thus, they will always defend the status quo.
And of course, the poor are also a dependent class. Which is why there is so much immorality/corruption/hypocrisy among them as well.
Which is why I always say, the further removed someone is from agriculture, the more corrupt they are. Agriculture and independence, go hand-in-hand with morality and virtue.
Last edited by Redshadowz; 03-21-2017 at 05:39 AM..
Big Business always pushes the Big Business Agenda.
For now, the are aligned with President Bonkers for his promises of corporate tax cuts and deregulation of all business.
tTRUMP's cabinet is filled with Billionaires and Goldman Sachs bankers. The Piggies of Wall Street love this set-up.
Yup. You'll notice that the right wing still embraces trickle down economics.
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