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Old 03-21-2017, 12:55 PM
 
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I didn't know a question could be classified as a strawman.
Then you learned something today.

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you should be a screen writer
The bullet points are what we in the reality-based world call "facts".
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Old 03-21-2017, 12:56 PM
 
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NATO is a dinosaur that should be resigned to Jurassic Park.
do you think posting stuff like this makes you sound smart?
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Old 03-21-2017, 01:08 PM
 
Location: San Diego CA
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Yup. Something's rotten in Denmark here. Trump and his cronies have gone out of their way to weaken Western Europe and strengthen Russian influence. Merkel was treated quite rudely by Trump last week and previously criticized for her leadership qualities. The sense is of course that the new administration just wants out of NATO.


State Department influence around the world and especially in Europe is being diminished with steep budget cuts and some of it's duties are being channeled to the White House and directly into the hands of Trump, Bannon and Kushner. Kremlin election hacking and Generals with lucrative business deals. If you see smoke expect to find fire.
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Old 03-21-2017, 01:16 PM
 
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The hypocrisy of the left is astounding. These are the same people who were praising Obama for wanting to "talk" to Iran and for reestablishing ties with Cuba.
Neither of whom are threatening/enacting piecemeal invasion of Europe.
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Old 03-21-2017, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Haiku
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Yeah poor McCain and Graham must hate seeing their plans for another Cold War and arms race get sidelined.
Uh, that would be Trump who is going for Cold War II....
"The United States must greatly strengthen and expand its nuclear capability until such time as the world comes to its senses regarding nukes," Trump posted to Twitter on December 22, 2016.
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Old 03-21-2017, 01:20 PM
 
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Hopefully, most of our allies will be willing to give us another chance after this disaster comes to its inevitable conclusion.

I think our democracy could come out of this stronger, and more focused.

For one thing, we got to get our elections shaped up. Gerrymandering, hanging chads, Dibold voting machines, purging voter rolls, voter suppression, foreign influence...

Comey is right that the bedrock of our democracy is honest elections. We've got some work to do.

Still, I think our diplomats should be pleasant to our allies, as long as they'll have us.
Firm but respectful would be all that anyone should reasonably expect.
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Old 03-21-2017, 01:20 PM
 
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Yup. Something's rotten in Denmark here.
Hey! Watch it, buddy...
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Old 03-21-2017, 01:29 PM
 
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Yeah poor McCain and Graham must hate seeing their plans for another Cold War and arms race get sidelined.
You're aware that the WHite House budget proposals coem with a $54Bn increase in military spending, yes? (Another fact, incidentally.)
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Old 03-21-2017, 01:30 PM
 
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You're aware that the WHite House budget proposals coem with a $54Bn increase in military spending, yes? (Another fact, incidentally.)
Sure am and hate it, but changes nothing I implied about MCain and Graham (who would probably like to see even bigger budgets).
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Old 03-21-2017, 01:32 PM
 
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Sure am and hate it, but changes nothing I implied about MCain and Graham (who would probably like to see even bigger budgets).
I see. So - how many billions would constitute a new cold war?
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