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Old 03-23-2017, 01:56 PM
 
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You do realize that there use to be a time (the majority of our history) that health insurance did not exist, right?
We survived as a nation, and would still do so.
I also remember when doctors made house calls. Remember when Republican Sue Lowden said you can pay your doctor with a chicken? I wonder how she did in that election.
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Old 03-23-2017, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Haiku
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I don't know what you're asking. What if your doctor tells you tests are required to determine the problem? Do you know what it costs to get an MRI? I had a broken pelvic bone in 2010 and my medical expenses totaled $22,000. Actually, that's not a high hospital bill at all. I know people who were charged more than $150,000 for one hospital stay. If you get cancer, chemo can cost more than $40,000 for an 8 week treatment. When I was in FL last year, a neighbor broke his arm and it cost him over $2,000 for one visit.
Some posters here are suggesting that we should have a sink or swim system - if you cannot afford the MRI, you go without it. Same with everything else. It would be inhumanely harsh but I have no doubt it would drastically lower the cost of healthcare in the US. Of course a good fraction of the population would be sick or disabled also so we would end up with new problems of a depleted work force.
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Old 03-23-2017, 04:36 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Some posters here are suggesting that we should have a sink or swim system - if you cannot afford the MRI, you go without it. Same with everything else. It would be inhumanely harsh but I have no doubt it would drastically lower the cost of healthcare in the US. Of course a good fraction of the population would be sick or disabled also so we would end up with new problems of a depleted work force.

SEE, that's the thing people are not considering. We can cure the entire healthcare issue by simply cutting everyone off... and letting them die.

THAT is a brutal proposition.

Take it from a person who has spent 100s of thousands on insurance... we need to stop the insanity of Americans being exploited for profit. People are not numbers, and a damn large percentage have no means to help themselves. There is a sweet spot where the unfortunate, the poor, those in need can be covered without exploiting those who can.

I'm sick of the BS for votes meme in DC

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I also remember when doctors made house calls. Remember when Republican Sue Lowden said you can pay your doctor with a chicken? I wonder how she did in that election.
Doctors have not made house calls in CA for 70 years. Where do you live to "remember" such a thing, or was that from childhood memories of Father Knows Best and Leave it to Beaver?

I'm not being sarcastic. I've been on this earth for 6 decades and never had a doctor make a house call... though I certainly missed that for sure.

GP's have died, making way for specialized care... slang for making money.

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Old 03-23-2017, 06:19 PM
 
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Doctors have not made house calls in CA for 70 years. Where do you live to "remember" such a thing, or was that from childhood memories of Father Knows Best and Leave it to Beaver?

I'm not being sarcastic. I've been on this earth for 6 decades and never had a doctor make a house call... though I certainly missed that for sure.

GP's have died, making way for specialized care... slang for making money.
Yes, my family doctor did make house calls and I didn't live in the country either. He also had an office with a receptionist.

In fact, I remember doctors who made home visits in 2 different cities, but I was very young. It would have been back in the 1950s and early 1960s.

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Old 03-23-2017, 06:32 PM
 
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We had an interesting talk about ethics in micro class today that led into some issues with politics. Profit hospitals rarely make money when people don't have insurance. To make that money up usually order non necessary test for individuals with insurance.

Question is how do you create balance in the healthcare field.
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Old 03-23-2017, 06:38 PM
 
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We had an interesting talk about ethics in micro class today that led into some issues with politics. Profit hospitals rarely make money when people don't have insurance. To make that money up usually order non necessary test for individuals with insurance.

Question is how do you create balance in the healthcare field.
Well, we could stop starting wars in foreign countries. That would save us a few trillion bucks.
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Old 03-23-2017, 07:10 PM
 
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I'm not being sarcastic. I've been on this earth for 6 decades and never had a doctor make a house call... though I certainly missed that for sure.

GP's have died, making way for specialized care... slang for making money.
Not long ago in Sarasota I went to an orthopedic surgeon who charged me a very reasonable fee ($100) for a visit. He had just returned from Haiti where he flew after the devastating earthquake, so it was probably in 2010. Earlier that same year, an orthopedic surgeon in Port Charlotte charged me over $1,400 for reading my chart in the hospital during rounds. I don't even remember him. It's a long story, but I fought that bill and finally got it reduced by $1,000 after several phone calls and letters.
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Old 03-23-2017, 09:49 PM
 
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You mean when 50% of children died before their 2nd birthday?


When anyone could become a doctor or nurse with no formal training?

What is CD's obssession with the past?
What is with liberals denigrating history by using far fetched examples of the exception, not the norm. For example, their dismissal of the great minds of our founding fathers based and the myopic lens of today's politically correct ignorance, by saying they were bigots/racists related to slavery.

Even during the depression, health insurance was not a typical means of receiving medical care, yet the cradle to grave liberals of today want to imply health care is a guaranteed Constitutional right.
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Old 03-24-2017, 12:31 AM
 
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Keep government and insurance out of health care, and prices will drop to what people can afford to pay.

Health care providers will have no choice but to charge what people can afford to pay -- just like car sellers, restaurant owners, etc.

Of course, the simple and obvious solution will never be the one that stupid people pursue.
It does not work that way.

Very little goes to the doctor himself.

Machines cost money.

The doctor also has to pay nurses,assistants,for medical instruments,etc.

Why would anybody go to school to become a doctor to make peanuts?

You are also forgetting that medical care is a decision between life and death,which makes it different from a car and a restaurant.
Sorry, I'm not buying it.

Medical treatment needs to cost what people can afford, period. That might mean you don't get MRIs and stuff like that. Too bad.
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Old 03-24-2017, 12:49 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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How is it not a supply and demand industry?
It is...just like everything else.

But as we have been over ad nauseam on this board once you give a State a monopoly on force and regulation (a form of force) you've socialized the industry/product.

Man A and Man B are no longer engaged in a consensual bargain for a good/service. Entity C (the government) is there as well.

It's just that simple. It really is.

You can't be a "little pregnant". You either are or you aren't.

You can't have capitalism and socialism concurrently. Once socialism has entered it's socialism to some degree.

5% or 95%. It's still not supply and demand because an involuntary 3rd party has artificially manipulated the labor, materials, and cost.
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