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Old 03-22-2017, 06:23 AM
 
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The fear mongering Right wing certainly managed to increase gun sales.. but the thing to remember is that a small percentage of people buy a very large percentage of guns sold.

There are people who buy dozens and hundreds of guns, and they are a large enough group to shift the data. I am far too lazy to bother digging this up as it is not really that important, more along the lines of fun fact.

yes lots of people have guns.
"The fear mongering Right wing"

Get your facts straight. It is the LEFT who is in fear about guns.

Some start shaking in the boots at just the sight of a gun.

"I am far too lazy to bother digging this up as it is not really that important"

Actually it IS that important.

YOU made a claim and know you CAN'T to back it up so you come you with some lame excuse about being "too lazy" to do so.

"All talk and NO action"
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Old 03-22-2017, 06:26 AM
 
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" and right wingers smirked,"

The usual "painting with a wide brush" from you.

Gun sales and prices started going up when "midnight specials" were banned.

They continual went up when Bill Clinton started out pushing for his so-caled Assault Weapons Ban bill.

With its passage they continued to go up.

Sen. Feinsteins comments about guns including," If I could, I would confiscate ALL of them " while the dems held control of the Senate.

When W .Bush took office sales and prices pretty much leveled out.

Then came another dem, Obama, and with the dems holding all 3 Branches gun owners knew things would change for the worse, again, and they were right.

And they did, Obama tried to re institute the so-called Assault Weapons Ban bill.

Several very liberal states, NY and Ca for instance, passed new anti-gun legislation.

Every time any of these things happen sales and prices go up.

Now that we have a repub President and the both Houses of Congress the fear about more ridiculous legislation is lessened.

So, it all makes sense.
Hey Captain Obvious... what are you gonna tell us next? That the sky is blue?

Tell us all something that we don't know! Geez.
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Old 03-22-2017, 06:27 AM
 
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Obama doesn't care about guns. The lemmings that believe in him only think he does.
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Old 03-22-2017, 06:30 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Obama doesn't care about guns. The lemmings that believe in him only think he does.
He cared enough to give them to drug cartels and Syrian and Libyan rebels in Benghazi. Course when he does that Americans die.
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Old 03-22-2017, 06:32 AM
 
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Obama doesn't care about guns. The lemmings that believe in him only think he does.
Geez. You right wingers are just FULL of useful information today. We're all learning so much!!
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Old 03-22-2017, 06:34 AM
 
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Actually, given that Trump is very pro eminent domain, they can just reframe him as the enemy. They just say that Trump will come to take your land and house, so get armed.
"Actually, given that Trump is very pro eminent domain,"

The typical left "diversion" tactic.

Eminent domain has been on the books for a LOOONG time but NOW you are concerned with it.

Why didn't you push to have it removed from the law when the dems controller all 3 branches of govt.

MAYBE, because the dem are just as much for it as Trump is.

But, you would NEVER admit THAT!


"History Of The Federal Use Of Eminent Domain


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Early Evolution of Eminent Domain Cases

The federal government’s power of eminent domain has long been used in the United States to acquire property for public use. Eminent domain ''appertains to every independent government. It requires no constitutional recognition; it is an attribute of sovereignty.” Boom Co. v. Patterson, 98 U.S. 403, 406 (1879). However, the Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution stipulates: “nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.” Thus, whenever the United States acquires a property through eminent domain, it has a constitutional responsibility to justly compensate the property owner for the fair market value of the property. See Bauman v. Ross, 167 U.S. 548 (1897); Kirby Forest Industries, Inc. v. United States, 467 U.S. 1, 9-10 (1984).

The U.S. Supreme Court first examined federal eminent domain power in 1876 in Kohl v. United States. This case presented a landowner’s challenge to the power of the United States to condemn land in Cincinnati, Ohio for use as a custom house and post office building. Justice William Strong called the authority of the federal government to appropriate property for public uses “essential to its independent existence and perpetuity.” Kohl v. United States, 91 U.S. 367, 371 (1875).

The Supreme Court again acknowledged the existence of condemnation authority twenty years later in United States v. Gettysburg Electric Railroad Company. Congress wanted to acquire land to preserve the site of the Gettysburg Battlefield in Pennsylvania. The railroad company that owned some of the property in question contested this action. Ultimately, the Court opined that the federal government has the power to condemn property “whenever it is necessary or appropriate to use the land in the execution of any of the powers granted to it by the constitution.” United States v. Gettysburg Electric Ry., 160 U.S. 668, 679 (1896)."


https://www.justice.gov/enrd/history...eminent-domain
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Old 03-22-2017, 06:42 AM
 
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Hey Captain Obvious... what are you gonna tell us next? That the sky is blue?

Tell us all something that we don't know! Geez.
Well "Captain Obvious" if we ALL knew it, why did you bother to start this thread and basically say the same thing?

"The more you talk, the more foolish you look" someone said.
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Old 03-22-2017, 06:43 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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No really... they aren't still brisk.

And this ain't just about Remington.


A Rash Of Discounting
The sharp deceleration resulted in a spike in discounting last month as big-box retailers and other dealers who loaded up on MSRs and other firearms in anticipation of a Clinton victory shifted to clearance mode.
“We saw some of the big boxes do some pretty strong discounting after the election, particularly after Thanksgiving,” said Larry Hyatt of Hyatt Guns in Charlotte, NC. “Unless their buying is a lot different than ours, they are selling at cost.”

The market is saturated. With women, being the biggest buyers. The focus is now on handguns and not the scary black rifles.
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Old 03-22-2017, 06:44 AM
 
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Geez. You right wingers are just FULL of useful information today. We're all learning so much!!
Well, he was your liberal anti gun President, not mine.
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Old 03-22-2017, 08:10 AM
 
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The gun industry LOVED President Obama...they just couldn't tell their supporters that. I bet all the big weapons company execs voted Democrat. Dems are good for the fear business.

I said this on at least a few threads, and right wingers smirked, dismissed what i said and claimed that a pro-gun president would be all the rage with the gun industry. NOPE!!!

Let this be a lesson to them. Ginning up fear is a great business tactic, but it's also an ephemeral one. Now for the next four years, and just maybe the next eight years (if not longer), the industry will see sales plummet. If you want people to buy your product, make a case for how great it is and don't go the lazy route by claiming that your time (and right) to buy it is limited.

The only people i feel sorry for are the workers who will be losing jobs left and right over the next four years. Why? Because their company's public relations/advertising strategy has been lazy as hell.

Anyway..

Crashing "Post-Obama Era" Gun Sales Lead To Remington Mass Layoffs | Zero Hedge

This is interesting. And I am aware that just because NICS are at a record level it doesn't exactly reflect firearms sales, since many states do not require one for secondary sales. But for sales of new firearms a call to the system is required so I suppose it reflects new sales only ? For those that already owned a firearm and are applying for a CPL, they get background checked but not thru this system.


https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/..._year.pdf/view


Trump Era NICS: February 2017 Third Highest on Record


I'm willing to bet that the industry is just feeling a market correction from all buying spree prior to the election. Also, in some cases like companies that currently manufacture silencers, they are feeling the burn from consumers waiting to see if they will be pulled from the NFA list , which then will require no additional paperwork. I know I'm waiting. Then if that happens you will see a boon, as many rush to purchase.


INDUSTRY NEWS: 122 Layoffs At Remington Ilion Plant; 39 In Huntsville - The Firearm BlogThe Firearm Blog


Layoffs Reported at SilencerCo, Lagging Sales Due to Hearing Protection Act Indicated - The Truth About Guns
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