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Old 03-23-2017, 07:53 AM
 
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They are not really getting it for free. Money is fungible. All or at least a portion of it is coming out of money that would likely be added to their salary. People often choose jobs for less money but good benefits over a job with more money but crappy benefits.

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Some minimum wage workers get coverage at work, but I doubt money would be added to their salary if insurance went away,
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Old 03-23-2017, 07:56 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Some minimum wage workers get coverage at work, but I doubt money would be added to their salary if insurance went away,
Maybe it would maybe not. But a lot of jobs offer increased pay if you don't use their insurance plan. Even in my own business, if someone is on their spouses plan and don't use ours, they get a bonus to cover the difference.
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Old 03-23-2017, 08:01 AM
 
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Maybe it would maybe not. But a lot of jobs offer increased pay if you don't use their insurance plan. Even in my own business, if someone is on their spouses plan and don't use ours, they get a bonus to cover the difference.
It's offered where I work also but I will note, it is not much money. If I'm not mistaken a hundred or so dollars a month. Certainly not a difference maker.

My wife has her own policy where she works. I could drop mine but the money is so low as to not make the security of having the back up worth dropping it.

Yes, I have. I am one of the "haves". I want everyone else to have also.
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Old 03-23-2017, 08:05 AM
 
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Well, maybe we should see this for what it really is. The ACA forced one group of people to buy health care for another group of people that they don't even know. Now the GOP plan is trying to stop that practice. That is reality.

But as a health care provider, I would like to see everyone covered, so I have mixed feelings about this new GOP plan. I think they can do better and don't know why they are trying to rush this through.
I've read that they are trying to ram this through b/c through governmental maneuvers, if they can kill the ACA they can book the supposed "budget savings" to offset a huge regressive tax cut later in the legislative session and pretend the tax-cut is a net/net a 0 change. Without the first part they can't do a permanent tax cut as is their wish; thus the rush to slam this dumpster fire through.
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Old 03-23-2017, 08:26 AM
 
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I'm sure all the taxes the 1% will save will trickle right down to the poor.
They will be invested in overseas factories.
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Old 03-23-2017, 08:34 AM
 
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The question is: Which side has a better model and works better? The conservative model leaves us with an Oliver Twist society in which there is vast wealth and the poor dying in the streets -- with the middle class living hand-to-mouth. The liberal model gives us a civilized society and a large middle class living well and the poor taken care of. The rich will have less but they'll still be rich. Vast income inequality does not the country well.
The problem is the upper middle class get pushed down a rung. They don't like that.
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Old 03-23-2017, 02:34 PM
 
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It's time to stop government-sanctioned thievery.

Pay for your own stuff.
Please note, I am using a generic "you" in the following...

OK. While we're at it, you don't wanna pay taxes, so, pay for every single community thing that you routinely use and don't consider when you say taxation is thievery.

Pay for your own roads that you use.

ay for the electric lines, power transmission, and fuel to make every watt of the electric that you use.

Pay for the nice machinery in the hospitals (and also design and develop them yourself) and pay to keep a cadre of specialists and technicians to work on only you.

Pay for the annual research that goes into the flu vaccine, childhood vaccines, etc. (unless you are one of those who think it will never happen to you so you feel free to contribute to an epidemic when you get sick).

Pay for the total cost to educate your kids without taking a penny in tax money.

Pay for your own food inspections, grow it yourself so that you don't use those public roads, shipping ports personnel, and air traffic folks.

Don't call the cops or the fire department, or even the dog catcher.... this could go on and on.

You use a lot of stuff that the entire community/country contributes to, so maybe it is time to go totally off the grid. And, while you are at it... stop using the internet, developed by the government, using thieved money from... you, right?
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Old 03-23-2017, 02:36 PM
 
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Why the surprise?

Shouldn't any reasonable person assume that if you elect Republicans, the rich will be the winners?
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Old 03-23-2017, 02:39 PM
 
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This thread is about the rich "not paying enough".
I see it as this thread is about the rich being the ones to benefit from a new law, while a lot of less rich people pay more. Not exactly the same as "not paying enough".
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Old 03-23-2017, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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I'm sure all the taxes the 1% will save will trickle right down to the poor.
Some friends of mine were once paperboys, making home deliveries and they had to collect the monthly bills, also. They said the wealthiest subscribers were the hardest to get to pay. They had to always go back a couple of extra times and were treated like they were beggars, asking for charity.
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