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Old 03-24-2017, 11:59 AM
 
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What gives?

“If you can’t take care of your sick in the country, forget it, it’s all over... I believe in universal healthcare.” - Donald J Trump

“Liberal on healthcare, we have to take care of people... I love universal.” - Donald J Trump

"We must have universal healthcare...I'm a conservative on most issues but a liberal on this one. We should not hear so many stories of families ruined by healthcare expenses..." - Donald J Trump
yep, Trump is one hell of a liar.


You almost have to admire the people who were able to compartmentalize his blatant and persistent lying on these topics. His never ending contradictions of his owns "views". Somehow they are able to pretend to themselves that it was OK to vote for a man who clearly has stolen, lied, groped , cheated on wives. did not even bother to raise his own children.

There is virtually nobody who can say with all honesty that Trump is a good man, an honest man or even a reasonable man. We all know what he is. Yet still they voted for him.

I believe they voted for him , because they thought that Trump would take from others and give to them. They just never understood for Trump only the top few percent are people he perceives as valuable.

Trump even said, he says whatever people want to hear in order to get their support. He admitted this when talking to a crowd of very wealthy donors , yet still millions of poor and low information white people voted for Trump.

 
Old 03-24-2017, 12:03 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Why are you surprised? Trump has held this position consistently throughout the campaign.

Then why is he pimping this awful excuse of a bill?
 
Old 03-24-2017, 12:10 PM
 
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It's the only solution to deal with healthcare coverage now a days. Healthcare is too influenced by lobbyist, big pharmaceutical companies, and corporations.
 
Old 03-24-2017, 01:26 PM
 
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Yeah, we know the conservative narrative that everything bad is because of the government. If so, how is it that other countries that have far more government control over healthcare spend half what we do and have better medical results? We are the only modern nation that has private insurance companies involved in health insurance and our costs are double everyone else. Food for thought.
Sure... apples to oranges.

The problem with your cost evaluations is you do not do honest comparisons. It is like the claim that alternative energy is cheaper by not showing the heavy amount of subsidized money going into the system.

You people point to other countries like Canada for general practice service, but then fail to compare the wait time for specialist practices which has turned their system into a joke.

You don't do proper comparisons, which is why you go on and on about how things are cheaper.

Never mind you keep pointing to how our health care is so expensive, then ignore the part of government in it. Again, self fulfilled prophecy. Of course if you urinate in the drinking water, it it is going to taste bad, no duh! Prices are ridiculous because we do not have a free market and we haven't had one in decades, so all your argument is proving is that GOVERNMENT screws things up, which isn't much of a revelation because any idiot with a basic literacy skill can look throughout history and see the track record of government.
 
Old 03-24-2017, 02:19 PM
 
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Sure... apples to oranges.

The problem with your cost evaluations is you do not do honest comparisons. It is like the claim that alternative energy is cheaper by not showing the heavy amount of subsidized money going into the system.

You people point to other countries like Canada for general practice service, but then fail to compare the wait time for specialist practices which has turned their system into a joke.

You don't do proper comparisons, which is why you go on and on about how things are cheaper.

Never mind you keep pointing to how our health care is so expensive, then ignore the part of government in it. Again, self fulfilled prophecy. Of course if you urinate in the drinking water, it it is going to taste bad, no duh! Prices are ridiculous because we do not have a free market and we haven't had one in decades, so all your argument is proving is that GOVERNMENT screws things up, which isn't much of a revelation because any idiot with a basic literacy skill can look throughout history and see the track record of government.
Canada's system is a joke?


I'll see your "joke" and raise you with "facts":


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TWuO5dBYjo

Comparing U.S., Canadian health care systems | Association of Health Care Journalists

Medical error

INTERSECTIONS: US has longest health care waiting times - Pickaway News Journal

"Among the 11 nations studied in this report; Australia, Canada, France, Germany, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, the United Kingdom and the United States--the US ranks last, as it did in 2010, 2007, 2006 and 2004... ... most troubling, the US fails to achieve better health outcomes than the other countries, and as shown in the earlier editions, the US is last or near last on dimensions of access, efficiency and equity."


Okie dokie......if that single aspect comparison constitutes a "joke" in your mind; you've got a seriously warped sense of humour!
 
Old 03-24-2017, 02:56 PM
 
Location: VB
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Thank you for the article. Maybe I'm wrong, but if anything it supports my position regarding the fact that Obama Care passed without a single Republican vote using the nuclear option. Obama didn't need or even try very hard to gain any Republican support for it. He had the votes he needed.
My question is, why didn't he do this for universal healthcare? It could have been done. I don't think there was a single Democrat in Congress at that time that wouldn't have gone along with Obama.
Personally, I wished he had done it.
At the time, there wasn't even enough support in the Senate for the public option (which died after Joe Lieberman declared his opposition to it), let alone something like single payer.

Perhaps if the leadership had always had the view of using the nuclear option for the final bill, the public option would have survived, but at that point, they were still trying to make sure they had 60 votes before proceeding.
 
Old 03-24-2017, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Because Republicans won't even consider it. You can't go forward with something that's already dead.
Then we put people in office who WILL consider it.
 
Old 03-24-2017, 03:20 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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Any price increases have resulted due to government involvement and fixing. For instance, I could get a catastrophic plan, 2500 deductible, 20% co pay up to 100k and it covered everything serious AND had experimental treatments to boot. That plan was 80 bucks a month pre-ACA. You can't get that type of plan anymore (ACA bloated them with garbage requirements) and to find even anything remotely comparable will push you into several hundred bucks a month.

So, government got involved, prices went up. There is a long list of government "helping" throughout the years which resulted in causing health care costs to rise.

Self fulfilled prophecy. Basically, they crapped in the well and are now claiming that we have to abandon the well because it is poisoned. They are the cause, they did this on purpose.

The only solution is to remove all of these socialized practices. Remove government, remove the regulations that the feds have no authority over anyway. Make our markets FREE and let individuals choose as companies compete for their business. This is how liberty and freedom works. This is the only real solution as any other solution is to place people into bondage to government.

As for you claiming you are a conservative?

BS. You talk like a progressive lying about how they are conservative as no real conservative would promote government systems like you are.
I have news for you. That plan didn't cover what you thought it covered. Which you would have found out if you'd ever tried to use it.

How do I know it isn't real? The same way I know when I see someone from china selling something for 4 bucks including shipping that everyone else is selling for $15.
 
Old 03-24-2017, 04:07 PM
 
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What gives is that we don't have dictators in this country. Trump has zero chance of getting a universal health care plan even considered. Why is that difficult to understand?
If it were up to him, without involving Congress, we would have universal healthcare. You can hate Trump all you want to, but don't be naive as though you just got off the bus from Timbuktu.
That's BS. The President has the power to change the direction of the party to which he belongs. Think about how much the GOP has changed since Trump took over. They used to be pro free trade, pro interventionism, and now they aren't. These are huge changes.

Many Democrats in congress support single payer. Trump would just need to get Republicans to support it.
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