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Old 03-26-2017, 09:47 AM
 
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Street gang & thug culture is a product of the United States. I've been to places where you're about 10X more likely to get robbed on the street but 50X less likely to get shot for scuffing the wrong person's shoe.
I would say yes and no. The mafia got her via Italy. MS-13, on the other hand, started in the USA, then made its way to El Salvador. MS13 started in LA with the tensions between Salvadoran refugees and the Mexican and Black population in McArthur Park.

Zoe Pound, a Haitian gang, got started that way. Haitian refugees came to the USA during the 70s and 80s. Zoe Pound formed as a way to defend themselves. Then it turned to drugs and violence.
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Old 03-26-2017, 09:58 AM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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The illegal immigration supporters will point out that this doesn't happen often. And the crime rate among illegals is no higher than legal immigrants.

But that's a straw man argument. It doesn't matter what the RATE of crime is. The fact is that if we had no illegal immigrants then we would have no illegal immigrant rapes and murders. And if we reduce illegal immigration by 50%, we should get a 50% reduction in illegal immigrant crimes.
The bold is right, but the 50% number is wrong because you cant assume you would stop 50% of the crime from coming in, only 50% of the people.

All those 50% you stop could be good people, and the ones you couldnt stop could be the criminals( since criminals are less likely to be caught anyways).
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Old 03-26-2017, 10:35 AM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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I suspect the same will be for that pedophile. He will get isolated to an extent. Prison does have its own laws. A city within gates.

I'm wondering if the pedophile will run into fellow MS13 members.

Oh, anything can happen. Sexually assaulting a 2 year old might even be beyond what the fleabags in MS13 are willing to tolerate. I hesitate to give them even that much credit, but it's possible. They tend to like it the nastier and dirtier it gets. MS13 is at the top of the nasty pile. IDK, the Haitians and Jamacians are pretty nasty too. Hell, any of these gangs.


Still, he did bring heat onto the ...organization..so whether they care so much about what he actually did, that alone puts a target on his back. They have enough juice and money to get to him should they so desire. It would be quite tempting as a guard if 5 grand or so were to appear in ones hand to see a child rapist drawn and quartered.
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Old 03-27-2017, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Consent from a TWO year old?

Or are you referring to the rape of the 14 year old in MD?
I was referring to the MD 14 year old.
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Old 03-27-2017, 04:24 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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please explain how it is a strawman argument?
Because you have no factual debate about illegal immigrant crime, you talk about the crime rate. The crime rate is a diversion and useless argument.
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Old 03-27-2017, 04:28 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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The bold is right, but the 50% number is wrong because you cant assume you would stop 50% of the crime from coming in, only 50% of the people.
I agree. So let's try again.

Stop all illegal immigration and you eliminate all illegals committing crimes.

Make a huge reduction in illegal immigration and you will achieve a reduction in illegals committing crimes.

The point is that an increased effort to control our borders will reduce crime.
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Old 03-27-2017, 05:40 PM
 
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The bold is right, but the 50% number is wrong because you cant assume you would stop 50% of the crime from coming in, only 50% of the people.

All those 50% you stop could be good people, and the ones you couldnt stop could be the criminals( since criminals are less likely to be caught anyways).
I say for every liberal that tries to defend illegal immigration, you, your daughter, sister, should be put in the care of one of them. Let's weed out who is just towing the party line. As long as it's not someone you care about right ds?
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