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Old 03-25-2017, 10:04 AM
 
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On your 1): Yeah, the old waste and abuse argument for cutting spending -- as Trump increase the defense budget. This is what you need to know, think of the federal government, in terms of spending, as an insurance company with an army. The big five is what matters, Defense, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and interest on the debt is the big picture. Trying to cut stationary use at the Interior Department or cutting Meals on Wheels is insignificant to the total spending. If you goal is smaller government, you need to talk about cutting the big five or you have no idea what you are talking about.

2) According to the CBO's report last week, the ACA is sustainable. But you know, just know, that it is imploding. (Pssst, your girlfriend has the Bronze plan that SHE chose. If she didn't want high deductibles and high copays she should have bought a better plan (silver, gold, platinum) instead of the cheapest plan. That's capitalism, you get what you pay for. Stop whining.)

3) We have multiple plans. (Bronze, Silver, Gold, Platinum)
This is the Problem With G.O.P. Plans to Sell Health Insurance Across State Lines
1) and yet liberals want to continue payig for the defense of the world and refuse to ask our allies to pay for their fair share, think of clinton's answer about nato

2) she is fresh out of college, a silver plan is about $350-400, a gold plan is around $550... this is my point obamacare is anything but affordable unless you are a deadbeat with 3 kids and no job. My plan before obamacare was amazing and cost $150 per month, my silver plan now is meh and costs $390 month.

3) anything is better than obamacare
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Old 03-25-2017, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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1) taxes are too high ...
So the guy who brags that he has a BMW 335xi is whining that taxes are too high. Got it.
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Old 03-25-2017, 10:07 AM
 
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Liberals, if you guys would stop focusing on the wealthy you'd realize the middle class gets a nice tax cut too.
The last time I saw what they had planned, middle class families with a head of household were really going to take it in the shorts - but if that changed I'd love to see it.
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Old 03-25-2017, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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Keep underestimating him.

It can only work to his advantage.
Well, I think you're overestimating him. Time will tell, there's no reason to think your crystal ball is any better - or any worse - than mine.

He ran as an R, but as a lot of folks have pointed out, he's not a conventional R.

I actually think there is a centrist coalition of congressional Rs and Ds that could be put together by the right person. It would require getting those folks to challenge their respective leaderships for rule changes regarding party control over bill introduction and similar rules and procedures, but yes, absolutely, I think it is possible.

So far, Trump has shown no sign of being that right person.
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Old 03-25-2017, 10:10 AM
 
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The last time I saw what they had planned, middle class families with a head of household were really going to take it in the shorts - but if that changed I'd love to see it.
Every income group will receive a tax break. You can google his plan. Avoid opinionated crap and focus on the facts.
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Old 03-25-2017, 10:10 AM
 
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Liberals, if you guys would stop focusing on the wealthy you'd realize the middle class gets a nice tax cut too.
Conservatives, if you'd stop focussing on tax cuts, you'd realize that both the middle and lower classes can benefit from tax-supported programs.
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Old 03-25-2017, 10:11 AM
 
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In his nature. Trump is technically a right wing democrat. Trump has a better chance of working with democrats, than he does working with Republicans. Trump may need to change his strategy a bit if he wants to get things done.
That train has passed. He campaigned more like a New Deal Democrat than a Republican because New Deal democrat ideas are popular (Medicare-for-all, taking on Wall Street, get big money out of politics, strengthen social security, higher minimum wage etc).

But he has governed like a right wing ideologue, packing his adminstration with Wall Street big wigs, establishment republicans and big money donors. So he has hitched himself to the Heritage Foundation, big donor interests which stick it to his core constituents in rural America and working class folks while doubling down on vilification of the left. He tops it off with an outrageous lie about Obama wiretapping him. His approval rating is very low. Any democrat hitching him or herself to Trump is not thinking rationally.
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Old 03-25-2017, 10:17 AM
 
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2) obamacare will implode as more insurance companies leave and prices skyrocketing. my gf has a bronze plan with a huge deductible and only 50% copay for $250 month and she is only 23 years old. it's crazy!
That's entirely appropriate for a young single person with no chronic health issues. It resembles what used to be called catastrophic coverage, and I voluntarily chose such policies myself until I was well into my 40s.

I retired 10 years ago as a single person. My last year at work, my BC/BS insurance cost my employer nearly $400/month. So $250/month seems well within the ball park to me.
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Old 03-25-2017, 10:17 AM
 
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Every income group will receive a tax break. You can google his plan. Avoid opinionated crap and focus on the facts.
Crumbs to the bottom 90% and a huge windfall for the top 1% is the "Trump tax plan". And huge cuts need to be made to public services and programs that the 99% rely on. As a result, these massive tax cuts benefit the donors and special interests and no one else. Cutting meals on wheels that provide food for hungry and poor seniors and cutting federal support for rural Appalachia while giving billions of dollars in tax breaks for the wealthiest and most powerful families in America? You really think thats a winner?
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Old 03-25-2017, 10:20 AM
 
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Every income group will receive a tax break. You can google his plan. Avoid opinionated crap and focus on the facts.
I looked, I can't find what you did, so please share it with us
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