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That is true. Disability has become an extended unemployment program. Another way government covers up the problem. If they were counted as unemployed, who knows how high the unemployment rate would be.
Trump has been counting them as unemployed. You know that 95 million unemployed he talks about? That includes eighty some million who are on disability, retired, going to school, caring for children...
The disabled would still be counted as unemployed. So no problem.
Sadly, even if people are reported, and I know this as a fact, when it comes to fraud, nothing is done in some areas. They draw the disability and work under the table at odd jobs for cash to fill in the gaps.
Many get injured (with something that is only temporary and will get better and does get better), but realize that chillin' is cool and find the right doctor that is willing to write it up for a kickback, and you're on easy street! I also know this for a fact.
I know. I've seen it too.
When the 5 year limit for TANF benefits started up, there were those who simply could not get it together for whatever reason. Many of them were diagnosed with cognitive or mental health disabilities and enrolled in SSI which they continue to receive until this very day.
Under the old system, the checks stopped when the kids were 18.
Now it's the 5 year limit and then on to SSI or SSDI for a lifetime.
Sadly, even if people are reported, and I know this as a fact, when it comes to fraud, nothing is done in some areas. They draw the disability and work under the table at odd jobs for cash to fill in the gaps.
Many get injured (with something that is only temporary and will get better and does get better), but realize that chillin' is cool and find the right doctor that is willing to write it up for a kickback, and you're on easy street! I also know this for a fact.
Here we go again. Another poster who claims to know how disability works and in fact does not I am a recipient, and I will tell you that it is nearly impossible to get on it, especially without a lawyer's help. You then have to have a doctor willing to write a letter testifying that you're disabled and most doctors don't want to deal with the government so they aren't willing to do it.
Then you have to have mounds of medical paperwork backing up your claim and assuming you even get benefits, they aren't necessarily permanent. You're subject to a thorough periodic review. I went through that review myself recently and they researched all my medical records again and had me fill out two 10 page questionnaires plus called me to make sure I was who I said I was and I wasn't faking it. And disability recipients are allowed to work part time. Why? Because the benefits are very small, way too small for people to be able to afford to live.
Actual disability fraud is much less common than people make it out to be. If I had a quarter for every story I heard that started with, "So and so I know gets disability benefits and isn't REALLY disabled," I would be rich by now.
This was brought up back in 60 minutes back in 2013, the lawyer Eric Conn even had his own doctors and evidently his own judge. Amazing that this took so long but glad they caught up with him, they should go after the doctors also.
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Eric C. Conn -- said to be the third-highest-paid disability lawyer in the country -- stood before a Senate hearing Monday, accused of perpetrating massive fraud against the Social Security Administration.
Four witnesses testified against Conn and Judge David B. Daugherty, alleging they collaborated on more than 1,800 disability cases.
............................ Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., who spear-headed the investigation says that this case is just one example of widespread abuse. He said, "Some in Congress refuse to acknowledge that the disability programs are broken and in dire need of significant oversight. People who are truly disabled will pay the price of our dithering."
Here we go again. Another poster who claims to know how disability works and in fact does not I am a recipient, and I will tell you that it is nearly impossible to get on it, especially without a lawyer's help. You then have to have a doctor willing to write a letter testifying that you're disabled and most doctors don't want to deal with the government so they aren't willing to do it.
Then you have to have mounds of medical paperwork backing up your claim and assuming you even get benefits, they aren't necessarily permanent. You're subject to a thorough periodic review. I went through that review myself recently and they researched all my medical records again and had me fill out two 10 page questionnaires plus called me to make sure I was who I said I was and I wasn't faking it. And disability recipients are allowed to work part time. Why? Because the benefits are very small, way too small for people to be able to afford to live.
Actual disability fraud is much less common than people make it out to be. If I had a quarter for every story I heard that started with, "So and so I know gets disability benefits and isn't REALLY disabled," I would be rich by now.
Your own Drs are not asked if they think you are disabled. They submit records and SSA Drs decide.
Here we go again. Another poster who claims to know how disability works and in fact does not I am a recipient, and I will tell you that it is nearly impossible to get on it, especially without a lawyer's help. You then have to have a doctor willing to write a letter testifying that you're disabled and most doctors don't want to deal with the government so they aren't willing to do it.
Then you have to have mounds of medical paperwork backing up your claim and assuming you even get benefits, they aren't necessarily permanent. You're subject to a thorough periodic review. I went through that review myself recently and they researched all my medical records again and had me fill out two 10 page questionnaires plus called me to make sure I was who I said I was and I wasn't faking it. And disability recipients are allowed to work part time. Why? Because the benefits are very small, way too small for people to be able to afford to live.
Actual disability fraud is much less common than people make it out to be. If I had a quarter for every story I heard that started with, "So and so I know gets disability benefits and isn't REALLY disabled," I would be rich by now.
Thank you! I'm permanently disabled myself now. The injury that originally caused all this happened 35 years ago. I worked my whole life with it. At a hard physical trade. Right up to the point I literally just folded. I scratched and clawed for a year after the company I was working for just threw me to the wolves. Applied for SSDI, but like you said, it takes piles of medical paperwork to get, and it's not easy finding any doctors who will take the time to do it. I couldn't qualify for any medical or financial help, regardless of my situation (the state office clerk literally told me I was a "single White childless male"..no way) At the year mark I was on deaths door with the medical condition. I was staying with a friend and collapsed in his yard. My sister came out and took me into the hospital in Reno. I had a fever of 103, a gaping draining hole in my leg from the infection plus a secondary infection, was pretty much delirious and probably should have been airlifted. Medicaid approved me after my hospitalization and so did SSDI. I got lucky that way. There were three different specialists working on me (had to have three extensive surgeries repairing tissue and removing deteriorated bone) and they all wrote reports to SSDI.
It was unanimous. I was DONE. End of line. They all told me I was lucky to be alive after playing "tough guy" for so long. Point is I had to literally be on deaths door before SSDI would even look at me. Lawyer or no. ( if you're going to hire one DON"T use the big outfits that advertise on TV..they SUCK) My monthly stipend is hardly "easy street" and just meets my needs with a few bucks to spare. That's life for someone who is really disabled. I gutted through 30+ years of hard work, (glad I did too) kept trying even after I was told I couldn't do it anymore, yep....broke myself on the wheel of the American Dream. I've endured the looks and derisions from people about being on disability. Get it all the time. If there were anything more I could do, I'd do it.
I've seen dozens of different doctors since the near death experience, and they all say the same thing. "If anyone needs SSDI it's you." Yes , there are plenty of frauds. They pizz me off as much or more than anyone. Being on SSDI means being labeled by most right alongside those types. But hey...Scooby gets it..
As an add on for jencam...you don't always have to see SS referred doctors. It depends on the circumstances. In my case since I was life threatening emergent and there were multiple doctors in specialist fields submitting reports, plus I was predicted at the time to be on inpatient care for at least two months, which is what it worked out to, SSDI signed off. Still, no matter what, it's not an easy thing to get SSDI. It wasn't for me. It doesn't fit the toothless hillbilly living in a cardboard patch shack in Appalachia off "the draw" but as with most stereotypes, such is as it is. Truly, I hope they drag all the frauds out and boot them. People who honestly need the funding can't get it whilst they do skate, and it ain't right. These disability specialist firms also need outed for the scams that they are. And that's all that they are.
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Thank you! I'm permanently disabled myself now. The injury that originally caused all this happened 35 years ago. I worked my whole life with it. At a hard physical trade. Right up to the point I literally just folded. I scratched and clawed for a year after the company I was working for just threw me to the wolves. Applied for SSDI, but like you said, it takes piles of medical paperwork to get, and it's not easy finding any doctors who will take the time to do it. I couldn't qualify for any medical or financial help, regardless of my situation (the state office clerk literally told me I was a "single White childless male"..no way) At the year mark I was on deaths door with the medical condition. I was staying with a friend and collapsed in his yard. My sister came out and took me into the hospital in Reno. I had a fever of 103, a gaping draining hole in my leg from the infection plus a secondary infection, was pretty much delirious and probably should have been airlifted. Medicaid approved me after my hospitalization and so did SSDI. I got lucky that way. There were three different specialists working on me (had to have three extensive surgeries repairing tissue and removing deteriorated bone) and they all wrote reports to SSDI.
It was unanimous. I was DONE. End of line. They all told me I was lucky to be alive after playing "tough guy" for so long. Point is I had to literally be on deaths door before SSDI would even look at me. Lawyer or no. ( if you're going to hire one DON"T use the big outfits that advertise on TV..they SUCK) My monthly stipend is hardly "easy street" and just meets my needs with a few bucks to spare. That's life for someone who is really disabled. I gutted through 30+ years of hard work, (glad I did too) kept trying even after I was told I couldn't do it anymore, yep....broke myself on the wheel of the American Dream. I've endured the looks and derisions from people about being on disability. Get it all the time. If there were anything more I could do, I'd do it.
I've seen dozens of different doctors since the near death experience, and they all say the same thing. "If anyone needs SSDI it's you." Yes , there are plenty of frauds. They pizz me off as much or more than anyone. Being on SSDI means being labeled by most right alongside those types. But hey...Scooby gets it..
As an add on for jencam...you don't always have to see SS referred doctors. It depends on the circumstances. In my case since I was life threatening emergent and there were multiple doctors in specialist fields submitting reports, plus I was predicted at the time to be on inpatient care for at least two months, which is what it worked out to, SSDI signed off. Still, no matter what, it's not an easy thing to get SSDI. It wasn't for me. It doesn't fit the toothless hillbilly living in a cardboard patch shack in Appalachia off "the draw" but as with most stereotypes, such is as it is. Truly, I hope they drag all the frauds out and boot them. People who honestly need the funding can't get it whilst they do skate, and it ain't right. These disability specialist firms also need outed for the scams that they are. And that's all that they are.
I wasn't saying most people see SSA Doctors - that is for people that don't have enough medical documentation from their own Drs. I was saying one's private Drs aren't even asked if they think the person is disabled. They are asked for records and SSA Drs look at them and make determinations.
Here we go again. Another poster who claims to know how disability works and in fact does not I am a recipient, and I will tell you that it is nearly impossible to get on it, especially without a lawyer's help. You then have to have a doctor willing to write a letter testifying that you're disabled and most doctors don't want to deal with the government so they aren't willing to do it.
Then you have to have mounds of medical paperwork backing up your claim and assuming you even get benefits, they aren't necessarily permanent. You're subject to a thorough periodic review. I went through that review myself recently and they researched all my medical records again and had me fill out two 10 page questionnaires plus called me to make sure I was who I said I was and I wasn't faking it. And disability recipients are allowed to work part time. Why? Because the benefits are very small, way too small for people to be able to afford to live.
Actual disability fraud is much less common than people make it out to be. If I had a quarter for every story I heard that started with, "So and so I know gets disability benefits and isn't REALLY disabled," I would be rich by now.
To get on SSI or SSDI you need a doctor in your corner who who will document the severity of your disability.
An attorney is helpful in negotiating all the paperwork, how many disability attorneys won't take you on until you've been turned down a several times and few years have passed. My understanding is that when you finally get determined eligible for benefits, there is a back payment settlement and they get 25% of that.
While SSDI payments can be substantial, depending on your previous paychecks, SSI is flat stingy. $773/month this year.
Which means that after years of mooching off your family and friends, working under the table, doing without - $773/month.
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and find the right doctor that is willing to write it up for a kickback, and you're on easy street! I also know this for a fact.
I am a recipient, and I will tell you that it is nearly impossible to get on it, especially without a lawyer's help. You then have to have a doctor willing to write a letter testifying that you're disabled and most doctors don't want to deal with the government so they aren't willing to do it. 
