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Old 03-26-2017, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Reading this article, I was amazed that grown people in congress would be playing games that most of us outgrew after Kindergarten. This so-called Freedom Caucus made a pact among themselves, that no one of them would make a commitment to vote to pass the ACA legislation, unless they consulted with the group and had their permission.

I wonder how the constituents of these individuals feel, when they realize their interests are not being represented, but rather those of an independent, renegade group, with its own, contrary agenda. Their jobs are supposed to be to promote the well-being of their own constituents and also those of the country as a whole. I don't like any of these self-organized coalitions, that are attempts to gain more power for the self-interests of these politicians.

How a secret Freedom Caucus pact brought down Obamacare repeal - POLITICO
As I understand it, most of the FC do not face a primary challenge and the FC is backed with Koch $.

No replacement for the ACA

No Infrastructure spending

No Wall

Tax cuts are a wild card. Depends on the costs to offset.

Trump's entire agenda could go up in smoke unless he gets some love from House Democrats.

Trump knows this.
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Old 03-26-2017, 03:57 PM
 
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They blocked a bad bill but for the wrong reasons. I'm ok with that but in the end it will also block a good bill.

However people must understand that an already bad bill wasn't bad enough for them which is why they blocked it. Essentially it wasn't crazy enough to suit their crazy ideas.

Republicans have a big problem on their hands. They've moved really far right and have a solid percentage of themselves on the fringe of politics. They've gerrymandered their way into a corner. That works ok when all you have to do is obstruct but doesn't work so well when you try to govern. They aren't going to be able to agree on anything.

The only way anything happens if if they reach out to democrats and work together. So nothing is going to happen. Which given this group of idiots running the show is preferable. Let's just get the next 3.5 years over with and vote these morons out of office.
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Old 03-26-2017, 04:06 PM
 
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Reading this article, I was amazed that grown people in congress would be playing games that most of us outgrew after Kindergarten. This so-called Freedom Caucus made a pact among themselves, that no one of them would make a commitment to vote to pass the ACA legislation, unless they consulted with the group and had their permission.

I wonder how the constituents of these individuals feel, when they realize their interests are not being represented, but rather those of an independent, renegade group, with its own, contrary agenda. Their jobs are supposed to be to promote the well-being of their own constituents and also those of the country as a whole. I don't like any of these self-organized coalitions, that are attempts to gain more power for the self-interests of these politicians.

How a secret Freedom Caucus pact brought down Obamacare repeal - POLITICO
first you need to figure out

Who funds this group of people, ....easy Koch brothers. ( easy to find )

Now search and find what did the Koch brother say? ... easy again, Koch publicly in the full light of day Ordered the freedom caucus to vote no, (they wanted much harsher terms) or they would not get money in 2018 and would find themselves fighting a well funded opponent come primaries in 2018


YOU ABSOLUTELY need to understand that the Koch family OWNs these people. they got most of them in, they fund them and they protect them. But those people most vote whatever way they are told to vote, or they lose their funding, and get primaried to death..


Koch network pledges to defend Republicans who vote against GOP health bill - POLITICO

Koch brothers launch a last-ditch effort to sink 'Trumpcare' - Business Insider


koch brothers want no gov in healthcare, social security etc. They would rather see you , me and everyone die than get a nickel of public monies. if there is a hell, they will in the deepest hole along with histories other murderous scum.
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Old 03-26-2017, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Trump sabotaged it. How? Because he didn't write the damn thing himself like he was supposed to do. That's laziness.


Trump promised to " REPLACE Obamacare with something wonderful that will take care of everybody and the Government is going to pay for it". He/ his campaign had nothing to back it up, beyond blah- blah about interstate insurance. That ship has sailed.

He had no idea health insurance is complicated. Trump is not known for getting into the weeds of anything.

He endorsed the AHCA. And it failed because the Republican FC would not support it, no different than not supporting The Wall, Infrastructure spending and Tax cuts without cutting expenses.

They got Koch $ and are not worried about primaries. Trump has no leverage, right now.
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Old 03-26-2017, 04:14 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Steve McDonald View Post
Reading this article, I was amazed that grown people in congress would be playing games that most of us outgrew after Kindergarten. This so-called Freedom Caucus made a pact among themselves, that no one of them would make a commitment to vote to pass the ACA legislation, unless they consulted with the group and had their permission.

I wonder how the constituents of these individuals feel, when they realize their interests are not being represented, but rather those of an independent, renegade group, with its own, contrary agenda. Their jobs are supposed to be to promote the well-being of their own constituents and also those of the country as a whole. I don't like any of these self-organized coalitions, that are attempts to gain more power for the self-interests of these politicians.

How a secret Freedom Caucus pact brought down Obamacare repeal - POLITICO
You may be naive on this - apparently this is pretty much how stuff gets done in politics, all the way down to the local level. It is a way of gaining consensus on some issue that is important to that particular group. Remember the 'smoke-filled rooms' of politics of the past? They still exist.
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Old 03-26-2017, 04:38 PM
 
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Thank you freedom caucus. Republicans voted how many time to repeal Obamacare? Republicans then ran on repeal and replace not repeal and replace with basically the same thing.
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Old 03-26-2017, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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Originally Posted by Steve McDonald View Post
Reading this article, I was amazed that grown people in congress would be playing games that most of us outgrew after Kindergarten. This so-called Freedom Caucus made a pact among themselves, that no one of them would make a commitment to vote to pass the ACA legislation, unless they consulted with the group and had their permission.

I wonder how the constituents of these individuals feel, when they realize their interests are not being represented, but rather those of an independent, renegade group, with its own, contrary agenda. Their jobs are supposed to be to promote the well-being of their own constituents and also those of the country as a whole. I don't like any of these self-organized coalitions, that are attempts to gain more power for the self-interests of these politicians.

How a secret Freedom Caucus pact brought down Obamacare repeal - POLITICO
Only 17 % of American liked the trump care, they represented us! for all Those a~~h in congress pushing a horrible bill for political points, I hope they all lose their seats.!
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Old 03-26-2017, 05:10 PM
 
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Trump promised to " REPLACE Obamacare with something wonderful that will take care of everybody and the Government is going to pay for it". He/ his campaign had nothing to back it up, beyond blah- blah about interstate insurance. That ship has sailed.

He had no idea health insurance is complicated. Trump is not known for getting into the weeds of anything.

He endorsed the AHCA. And it failed because the Republican FC would not support it, no different than not supporting The Wall, Infrastructure spending and Tax cuts without cutting expenses.

They got Koch $ and are not worried about primaries. Trump has no leverage, right now.
Spot on. Trump is lazy and woefully out of his depth.
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Old 03-26-2017, 05:11 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Trump sabotaged it. How? Because he didn't write the damn thing himself like he was supposed to do. That's laziness.
He didn't cheerlead it from the bully pulpit and instead did a vague threat to those that vote against it. The bill got pulled for the next day and then right before the vote took place was cancelled at Trump's request. He didn't do ****to help it get passed.
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Old 03-26-2017, 05:19 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Thank you freedom caucus. Republicans voted how many time to repeal Obamacare? Republicans then ran on repeal and replace not repeal and replace with basically the same thing.
The only repeal replace that will truly work is Medicare for all.
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