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Old 03-27-2017, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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It is exactly the same thing lol.

You think that foreign terrorists are going to come over with nothing? They are going to come with everything they have and if we have no protective government, we will only have individual weapons - like the natives had their spears and rocks.
There is nothing, and absolutely nothing to stop them from coming over now with their weapons. But they don't. Why is this? Because to transport weapons cost even more and more money. Money they really don't have. If they could do it, they would be doing it now. There is nothing about our current government that stops them. Do you think somehow border control has some preventive measure to stop rock launchers now? Of course not. The reason why they don't come with rocket launchers is because they can't afford to transport people in mass, since they HAVE NO NAVY?

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Radical Islamists have organizations and lands that they control that have weapons and money and vehicles to do just like Columbus did - go out and kill people and take their sh*t and rape them and pillage.
None that they have the ability or skills to produce in any reasoably quantity on their own. so they need to purchase them. And again, funding becomes a problem.

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Terrorists are basically pirates. Pirates have always existed and always do the same thing. They attack and do what they want. Those attacks make them money.
Outside of annoyances and nuisances, pirates were never a huge threat to any nation's national security. It was more of a problem for the crown. Pirates always wanted money for themselves. With radical Islam you're talking about people who are trying to change the world. You can only hijack warships manufactured by people far more resourceful than you for so long. they honestly don't have any advantage as sea.

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They are their own market - they get what they want without concern for people who they hurt. ETA: We also have a country full of guillable people who certainly would join radical Islamists because they'd find something they like about it. Hate groups today have lots of adherents, even the Islamic based ones.

You can't have markets without consumers. You'll make very little money unless you can sell to customers. And their funding is oil, which America is a major consumer of. People like to bring up trafficking, but that money is small time compared to what you'd get in oil. And not only that at best it's a niche market with a ton of other competition from plenty of nations.

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Also, as stated, we have terrorists here in America already. Take away all law enforcement agencies and they will be the "private security." You know that's what the mob did/does right - make people pay them for "protection" but that payment is basically to keep the mob from killing them for not paying.
Yeah, except the public police are more like the mob than private security is. A store has a dispute with it's security company, they just replace them. You have a problem with your local police, you keep paying for them or you go to jail. Tell me what's more mob like?
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Old 03-27-2017, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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even in the jungles of the Amazon- they have a govt of sorts - every civilization had a ruler and people in place to help- even God told Moses to get help to govern-
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Old 03-27-2017, 12:20 PM
 
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So Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Japan and most of Europe are not first world countries and Sudan is? The original definition had the communists countries as second world and the non aligned as the third world.
Sudan is not a capitalist country. That's what makes the USA a first class society. Not the quality of our government.
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Old 03-27-2017, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Here and now.
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Therefore, it can never happen.

Actually no, that's a fallacy.
What is, that none can be found?

Please back up your claim with facts.
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Old 03-27-2017, 12:23 PM
 
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Sudan is not a capitalist country. That's what makes the USA a first class society. Not the quality of our government.
You are arguing against yourself. You just said that the USA is a first class society, yet you would totally remake it into a lawless wilderness.

Total thread fail.
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Old 03-27-2017, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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What is, that none can be found?

Please back up your claim with facts.
I'm just saying that that isn't an valid argument. It's like saying there can never be a society without slavery because there's never been one before...which was actually an argument used to defend slavery.
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Old 03-27-2017, 12:30 PM
 
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I'm just saying that that isn't an valid argument. It's like saying there can never be a society without slavery because there's never been one before...which was actually an argument used to defend slavery.
Thank you for clarifying that, but I'm afraid the question was, what society has ever succeeded without laws and enforcement of those laws, followed by a request for facts and not theory.

I'm still waiting for an example.
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Old 03-27-2017, 12:31 PM
 
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I am not an anarchist, but I do think all protection services by the state and federal governments should definitely be left up to the market.
The local biker gang will be by to grab your stuff later. Also, I hear their enforcer kinda likes your 13-year-old.
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Old 03-27-2017, 12:34 PM
 
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Sudan is not a capitalist country. That's what makes the USA a first class society. Not the quality of our government.


Are your talking about first class or first world? The two terms mean different things. At least you will have Mexico paying for the wall, to keep Americans from entering as who would allow people from a lawless country to enter theirs? Are you thinking that in your new America you can then start buying people as there would be nothing to stop having slaves or sex slaves or gangs or pollution or weapons of mass destruction. Heh, I know a guy who knows guy who can make chemical weapons. That should make you feel safe in your home with your gun that someone can blow your house up or poison you or gas you and all you have are your guns, day after day, month after month year after year.


Keep awake and alert
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Old 03-27-2017, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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Are your talking about first class or first world? The two terms mean different things. At least you will have Mexico paying for the wall, to keep Americans from entering as who would allow people from a lawless country to enter theirs? Are you thinking that in your new America you can then start buying people as there would be nothing to stop having slaves or sex slaves or gangs or pollution or weapons of mass destruction. Heh, I know a guy who knows guy who can make chemical weapons. That should make you feel safe in your home with your gun that someone can blow your house up or poison you or gas you and all you have are your guns, day after day, month after month year after year.


Keep awake and alert


First class. And there is a reason for that. America puts the entrepreneur first, it puts business first, as well as commerence. This creates the best situation for consumers, and it has helped us evolve technologically.


As far as knowing people who can make chemical weapons. Chemical weapons are only used for 1 purpose, and that's to kill. And even with chemical weapons you need factories to mass produce them, which cost a lot of money. Money people could never get if they spend all of their money fighting with people.
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