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I've come to the conclusion that I hate the idea of "protection". The promise and desire to be protected has always been the means by which tyranny could spread. And it's not just SJW protection, it's all protection. In my opinion, and it's simply my opinion, protection seems to be a lost cause. I think we're better off abandoning the idea that the government should protect us, than trying to find ways to somehow justify the legitimacy of government.
I am not an anarchist, but I do think all protection services by the state and federal governments should definitely be left up to the market. I feel that if someone feels they need to be protected, they should pay for it. Just how it's not anyone's burden to feed you, clothe you, or pay for your college. It is also no someone else's burden to make sure you feel protected. If you feel you should be protected, then come out of your own pocket. But again, just my opinion.
I am of the school of thought that the main purpose of Federal Government is to protect the nation from external threats to the safety of the citizens. It should also be the point of oversight for interstate commerce between the states.
It is the purpose of state and local governments to provide protection of the lives and property of the citizens and to provide the oversight of intrastate commerce between its citizens.
It is the purpose of the courts on both the state and Federal level, to litigate differences between citizens.
And it is the purpose of the citizen to contribute to society through personal responsibility, civil discourse, abide by the laws and to be charitable to those less fortunate.
No they don't come in through the water, because they can't afford warships period. It's expensive to have a fleet, and that's just BUYING one. You also need to take the time to train people and the staff, and against people who are more skilled that's a pretty big road ahead.
So you would have a bunch of private navies all with their own interest and capabilities? As nothing could be funded by tax money, the navies would have a couple of patrol boats, because a warship isn't really a good business idea.
And what if centralised navies like the British, French, German and Italian would make a joint assault to the former US, as there is no country anymore in place, what would the result be? What if one or several of the private navies would think that an occupation would be good to their business and decides to switch sides? Or how about some people who would think that finally with an invasion this anarchy will end?
So you would have a bunch of private navies all with their own interest and capabilities? As nothing could be funded by tax money, the navies would have a couple of patrol boats, because a warship isn't really a good business idea.
And what if centralised navies like the British, French, German and Italian would make a joint assault to the former US, as there is no country anymore in place, what would the result be? What if one or several of the private navies would think that an occupation would be good to their business and decides to switch sides? Or how about some people who would think that finally with an invasion this anarchy will end?
Yeah they don't consider things like this as a flaw in their logic.
So you would have a bunch of private navies all with their own interest and capabilities? As nothing could be funded by tax money, the navies would have a couple of patrol boats, because a warship isn't really a good business idea.
It's been tried.
Back when, if you were a government at war and couldn't afford a navy, you issued letters of marque to private citizens who would, in turn, finance private warships and start taking the enemy's trading ships as prizes. It was a very effective economic warfare tool - merchantmen don't fight back very well, so a privateer only needed speed and light armament. You had to take the enemy's ships, though - no money in merely sinking ships - so a big crew for boarding was a necessity.
One problem, however, was that sometimes privateers failed to stop once their government permission was withdrawn.
People owning cargo ships and cargoes didn't much care for it. So they'd arm their merchantmen - expensive - or hire privateers to escort their ships - also expensive. Ultimately, they'd complain to their government, who generally realized that shipping made for trade and trade made for taxes and as such should be encouraged. And so standing navies with professional warrior crews became a thing, and because their only job was to fight, they could practice for it all the time - and they became very good at it. They would patrol the shipping lanes to keep the merchantmen safe. And as they developed, the privateers were faced with too formidable an enemy and gave up.
Today's advances in military tech has made the difference between the free-lancer and the professional navy even steeper. A nation with no navy would put its shipping - and that's serious wealth - at the mercy of a nation with one.
I've come to the conclusion that I hate the idea of "protection". The promise and desire to be protected has always been the means by which tyranny could spread. And it's not just SJW protection, it's all protection. In my opinion, and it's simply my opinion, protection seems to be a lost cause. I think we're better off abandoning the idea that the government should protect us, than trying to find ways to somehow justify the legitimacy of government.
I am not an anarchist, but I do think all protection services by the state and federal governments should definitely be left up to the market. I feel that if someone feels they need to be protected, they should pay for it. Just how it's not anyone's burden to feed you, clothe you, or pay for your college. It is also no someone else's burden to make sure you feel protected. If you feel you should be protected, then come out of your own pocket. But again, just my opinion.
Exactly. Just an opinion and you are entitled to one. Others may think differently.
Im just curious - can you bring examples of countries ruled according to your opinion? (I'm asking because noting comes in my mind)
If you believe the only thing that makes America a first world country is our government. Then I guess so. I always assume America is a first world country because rely far less on government and far more on enterprise to solve our issues. History kind of support this. But keep believing that somehow government is the reason why we're successful as a nation.
Govt. provides the structure by which we can have a functioning economy that works for the masses. 3rd world conditions would swiftly take over without govt.
Thank you for clarifying that, but I'm afraid the question was, what society has ever succeeded without laws and enforcement of those laws, followed by a request for facts and not theory.
I'm still waiting for an example.
Well first, no one is saying there wouldn't be rules or enforcement of those rules. It may be different than "the law" as passed by a politician, but there are always rules a society abides by.
Secondly, I don't understand why you need an example. Let's say there was no example...who cares? That's the point I was making.
So you would have a bunch of private navies all with their own interest and capabilities? As nothing could be funded by tax money, the navies would have a couple of patrol boats, because a warship isn't really a good business idea.
And what if centralised navies like the British, French, German and Italian would make a joint assault to the former US, as there is no country anymore in place, what would the result be? What if one or several of the private navies would think that an occupation would be good to their business and decides to switch sides? Or how about some people who would think that finally with an invasion this anarchy will end?
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Yeah they don't consider things like this as a flaw in their logic.
So the other guys can voluntarily join together but people in the US can't?
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