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Apprehension of someone for a warrant is different in that they are a fugitive from a past criminal offense. Nobody can be a fugitive for a civil offense. Should cops be aware of a lawsuit you never compensated for?
BTW, you can be undocumented and never have committed the crime of entering illegally. It's called visa overstaying.
If a person is here illegally, even as a civil offence, the penalty is still deportation no matter how they got here.
By overstaying their visa, they are in violation of the laws they agreed to when they applied for the visa.
Why are you so interested in protecting people that are engaged in activities that are against the law? Do you have the same opinion of Prostitution? Perhaps illegal gambling? Those are crimes too, and there are people that say those should be legal as well.
This is really a moot point. Trump's proposed budget cuts local funds to the police to hold these people, so they aren't going to be able to cooperate anyway.
I mean. Isn't that an intrusion of the federal government? Cities should have the right to protect inhabitants within their jurisdictions. All of this hating sanctuary cities just shows the hypocrisy of those on the right.
Thread fail due to abject ignorance.
Immigration and border control matters are expressly and solely the province of the federal government, per the U.S. Constitution.
Period.
No tangible states rights issue here.
While it's certainly entertaining to watch the OP embarrass him/herself with his/her poorly-reasoned posts, the mods might as well close and lock this thread right now due to its sheer uselessness.
If I was President I would go all in to exert my authority in controlling immigration into this country. If that means sending federal troops to take over state capitals and put governors under arrest so be it. But law and order has to be reestablished.
Or we won't have a country anymore. Next thing is states will stop paying federal taxes under "states rights" provisions.
Now that sounds like a reasonable solution I'm surprised they have not thought of that already.
If I was President I would go all in to exert my authority in controlling immigration into this country. If that means sending federal troops to take over state capitals and put governors under arrest so be it. But law and order has to be reestablished.
Or we won't have a country anymore. Next thing is states will stop paying federal taxes under "states rights" provisions.
Going to that extreme isn't really necessary.
All Trump has to do is issue a federal warrant on a known criminal illegal who's known to be hiding in a sanctuary city.
If the mayor of that city refuses to cooperate with the federal government and hand over said illegal, then the mayor can be charged with obstruction.
At least that's how Charles Krauthammer explained it a few weeks ago.
I may have forgotten some of the details though....so there may be more to it than that.
DeBlasio was making the point relative to minor traffic infractions, yes multiple DUI's can be a felony but the contention was that these areas are harboring violent felons, that is a complete lie. This hyperbole that they are protecting rapists and murderers is totally absurd.
They can deport anyone they want but the issue is that many of these police facilities don't have the resources to hold someone here illegally on a traffic infractions for more than two days, that is the issue.
These city police departments have larger things to worry about than an illegal immigrant that isn't a threat to anyone.
the issue isnt about local and state police going out and actively seeking out and detaining illegal immigrants, even arizona's SB1070 wasnt about that had anyone bothered to read the damned law.
what this IS about is local and state police departments ACTIVELY preventing the arrest of illegal immigrants. local and state authorities should be included in the apprehension of illegals as part of their daily routine. and they should be using the guidelines set forth by SB1070, which is when LEGAL contact is made with law enforcement, AND the officer cannot easily determine the legal status of said person, THEN they move on to identifying the person and their legal status.
for instance, if a cop stops someone for speeding, and asks for their drivers license, and they cannot or will not produce one, then the cop gets more information and runs it through the system. and it the information comes back clean, no problem. if not then a problem exists, and the officer should have the right to detain that person until such time as their status is determinied.
but we are talking about legal contacts here, not going out and actively trying to find all the illegals and turn them in to the feds.
when cities and states turn a blind eye to illegals, they harm the nation in the long run, because it sends a message to others that our laws are not laws but merely suggestions.
If there was immigration reform, would it even end the existence of sanctuary cities? What a sanctuary city is, is blanket amnesty, into perpetuity, for the entire world. It effectively eliminates the border.
And what then of the proposal of sanctuary states? Aren't they basically just saying that everyone in the entire world can come here, regardless of federal law?
Whether you agree with the law or not, it is still the law until it is changed.
The truth is, the majority of Americans oppose sanctuary cities. The only reason California is getting away with it, is because they have a bunch of nut-jobs running the state.
And that is precisely why the power to regulate immigration was made federal, so that one state can't drag down the rest of the country.
Whether you like it or not, that is how it is supposed to work.
Trump and Co. needs to come down hard on California.
I see . . . you don't understand what a sanctuary city is. A sanctuary city is a city with a policy of not devoting its own executive resources to enforce immigration laws. The cities designated sanctuaries are full of voters who are satisfied with that designation--it doesn't matter whether Americans oppose sanctuary cities, what matters is whether residents oppose them or not.
The power to regulate immigration is federal. But federal authorities like to enlist local government in enforcing immigration law (aka, an unfunded mandate).
More importantly: there's a push by the right to "punish" sanctuary cities--and California. This is a distraction effort. Republicans are having difficulty exercising the basic functions of their office, but they think they can find votes by dividing Americans into "us" and "them." Don't let them.
I see . . . you don't understand what a sanctuary city is. A sanctuary city is a city with a policy of not devoting its own executive resources to enforce immigration laws. The cities designated sanctuaries are full of voters who are satisfied with that designation--it doesn't matter whether Americans oppose sanctuary cities, what matters is whether residents oppose them or not.
The power to regulate immigration is federal. But federal authorities like to enlist local government in enforcing immigration law (aka, an unfunded mandate).
More importantly: there's a push by the right to "punish" sanctuary cities--and California. This is a distraction effort. Republicans are having difficulty exercising the basic functions of their office, but they think they can find votes by dividing Americans into "us" and "them." Don't let them.
if that were accurate then practically every city would be a sanctuary city, and that isnt the case. what sanctuary cities truly are, are cities that ACTIVELY IGNORE immigration laws.
if that were accurate then practically every city would be a sanctuary city, and that isnt the case. what sanctuary cities truly are, are cities that ACTIVELY IGNORE immigration laws.
Generally speaking, local law enforcement in sanctuary cities or counties don’t ask or report the immigration status of people they come into contact with.
A sanctuary jurisdiction typically refuses requests from federal immigration authorities to detain undocumented immigrants apprehended for low-level offenses. For example, when someone gets arrested for a DUI, he or she might spend the night in jail, get processed and then released. If this person is undocumented, though, federal immigration authorities would be alerted and may ask local officials to hold this person for longer, and possibly deport them. A city or county with a sanctuary policy would generally deny that request unless legally mandated to do so.
There is no specific legal definition for what constitutes a sanctuary jurisdiction but the term is widely used to refer to American cities, counties or states that protect undocumented immigrants from deportation by limiting cooperation with federal immigration authorities. Some decline to use city or state tax dollars to enforce federal immigration laws. Many prohibit local officials from asking people about their immigration status. Sanctuary policies can be mandated expressly by law or practiced unofficially. Proponents say they help ensure that undocumented immigrants don’t avoid reporting crimes, seeking healthcare and enrolling in schools for fear of deportation. Los Angeles was the first to institute such policies in 1979 when the city’s police department forbade officers from detaining people with the objective of finding out their immigration status.
You're buying into political rhetoric and ignoring reality. Sanctuary cities don't (and can't) create their own immigration law. They just don't enforce federal immigration law (which is not their responsibility, anyways).
I mean. Isn't that an intrusion of the federal government? Cities should have the right to protect inhabitants within their jurisdictions. All of this hating sanctuary cities just shows the hypocrisy of those on the right.
No State has ANY authority to set any policy regarding immigration. This is clear not only in the US Constitution but also in the law enacted by the US Congress.
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