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Did she kill people? No... then you can't charge her with murder. Period. If you do this, you oppose justice and are a worse person than the actual murderers. I actually mean that. It's basically saying words have no meaning and justice is irrelevant. People are dead and someone must go to jail. The ends are justifying means and I don't want a justice system like that. She was an accomplice in a crime. THAT'S her crime. Not murder.
And I'm not an idiot. She won't get convicted. She won't plea guilty and this won't go to trial. This exists as leverage to get her to take a lesser charge but possibly one greater than she actually deserves. That's it's own form of injustice, but people don't care anymore. They see her as a bad person so who cares if we throw our values aside to give her what she deserves.
Get away drivers do prison time. It's fairly common.
Did she kill people? No... then you can't charge her with murder. Period. If you do this, you oppose justice and are a worse person than the actual murderers. I actually mean that. It's basically saying words have no meaning and justice is irrelevant. People are dead and someone must go to jail. The ends are justifying means and I don't want a justice system like that. She was an accomplice in a crime. THAT'S her crime. Not murder.
And I'm not an idiot. She won't get convicted. She won't plea guilty and this won't go to trial. This exists as leverage to get her to take a lesser charge but possibly one greater than she actually deserves. That's it's own form of injustice, but people don't care anymore. They see her as a bad person so who cares if we throw our values aside to give her what she deserves.
I don't doubt but that she'll plea bargain down. The prosecutor's office will want to do that given there's a good chance she wouldn't be found guilty of the murder charge. Let's just hope her jail term will get her past her reproductive years. Society doesn't need her breeding more. 21, unmarried, with 3 kids, and having taken up with a teenager is not exactly the hallmark of anyone of benefit to society.
this question isn't pertinent
Q:Why would they take those items the first time? (this is how I was incorrectly talking about the issue)
A: In case some one was there.
this question is pertinent
Q:Why would they take those items the second time? (this is what I assume you are talking about)
A: They "almost had to know", at a minimum, that the chances increased that some one was there.
A "professional criminal" would know, not having a weapon makes for a shorter sentence.
Heck, even HI McDonnough knew "... it ain't armed robbery if the gun ain't loaded."
No one no matter if they are a liberal or conservative or democrat or republican is taking this woman's side or feeling pity for her .
The question or debate is, the practice of inflating criminal charges and or blurring the lines of defining criminal charges.
For instance I love Florida but what I don't like is zero tolerance mandatory sentencing laws, if is ripe for being abused and one size fits all just doesn't work toward true justice.
It is wrong that a woman shoots a gun in the air and gets 20 automatic years for mandatory use a gun get 20 years.
It is wrong that a couple has sex on the beach and gets 2 years prison as a felony and is forever put on a sex offender list.
It is wrong that if police get called to a domestic , that the police are required to arrest SOMEONE.
It is dishonest to run a prostitution sting and try to label it as a human trafficking sting.
It is wrong that a couple making homemade sex tapes of consenting adults get raided by a swat team
It is more about a politician, DA office or sheriff trying to make a name for themselves than administration of justice
Did she kill people? No... then you can't charge her with murder. Period. If you do this, you oppose justice and are a worse person than the actual murderers. I actually mean that. It's basically saying words have no meaning and justice is irrelevant. People are dead and someone must go to jail. The ends are justifying means and I don't want a justice system like that. She was an accomplice in a crime. THAT'S her crime. Not murder.
And I'm not an idiot. She won't get convicted. She won't plea guilty and this won't go to trial. This exists as leverage to get her to take a lesser charge but possibly one greater than she actually deserves. That's it's own form of injustice, but people don't care anymore. They see her as a bad person so who cares if we throw our values aside to give her what she deserves.
Like most laws, this one is not new and a lot of precedent is behind it.
Actions have consequences. The driver was participated in a crime that resulted in multiple deaths. None of the robbers actually pulled the trigger but all are equally responsible. If none of them were there to rob the residence, no one would have gotten killed.
I don't doubt but that she'll plea bargain down. The prosecutor's office will want to do that given there's a good chance she wouldn't be found guilty of the murder charge. Let's just hope her jail term will get her past her reproductive years. Society doesn't need her breeding more. 21, unmarried, with 3 kids, and having taken up with a teenager is not exactly the hallmark of anyone of benefit to society.
Why wouldn't she be found guilty of a murder charge? Under Oklahoma law, if someone dies in the commission of a felony, EVERYONE involved in committing the felony is liable for murder even if it's one or more of the perpetrators who dies. This is a pretty open-and-shut case. She may be able to plea down to avoid the expense of a trial, but the DA almost certainly won't accept any plea that doesn't involve many years in jail, especially if reports that she was the ringleader is true.
Did she kill people? No... then you can't charge her with murder. Period. If you do this, you oppose justice and are a worse person than the actual murderers. I actually mean that. It's basically saying words have no meaning and justice is irrelevant. People are dead and someone must go to jail. The ends are justifying means and I don't want a justice system like that. She was an accomplice in a crime. THAT'S her crime. Not murder.
And I'm not an idiot. She won't get convicted. She won't plea guilty and this won't go to trial. This exists as leverage to get her to take a lesser charge but possibly one greater than she actually deserves. That's it's own form of injustice, but people don't care anymore. They see her as a bad person so who cares if we throw our values aside to give her what she deserves.
You'll never see an intelligent answer, of course, because there isn't one. What a wasteland this thread is.....as bad as, if not worse than, a "climate change" hand-wringing party.
The political fringes feed each other and wouldn't otherwise exist.
Why wouldn't she be found guilty of a murder charge? Under Oklahoma law, if someone dies in the commission of a felony, EVERYONE involved in committing the felony is liable for murder even if it's one or more of the perpetrators who dies. This is a pretty open-and-shut case. She may be able to plea down to avoid the expense of a trial, but the DA almost certainly won't accept any plea that doesn't involve many years in jail, especially if reports that she was the ringleader is true.
It doesn't matter how many times you repeat it because there are several posters who won't believe such laws exist, even though they do, and will call you a liar.
You'll never see an intelligent answer, of course, because there isn't one. What a wasteland this thread is.....as bad as, if not worse than, a "climate change" hand-wringing party.
The political fringes feed each other and wouldn't otherwise exist.
This is not a "political fringe" issue. It's a long-standing legal principle that has been adopted by nearly every state in the union, right left or middle. The purpose for the felony murder doctrine is quite obvious: to discourage felonious conduct that endangers people's lives. If you don't want do do a murder rap, don't engage in felonious conduct in which people might die.
Why wouldn't she be found guilty of a murder charge? Under Oklahoma law, if someone dies in the commission of a felony, EVERYONE involved in committing the felony is liable for murder even if it's one or more of the perpetrators who dies. This is a pretty open-and-shut case. She may be able to plea down to avoid the expense of a trial, but the DA almost certainly won't accept any plea that doesn't involve many years in jail, especially if reports that she was the ringleader is true.
I hope she does spend many years in jail, but the reality is all it will take is one person on the jury that doesn't agree with the law for it to end in mistrial. Look at how many people on this forum disagree with it. Its called jury nullification. Nobody can force a juror to vote guilty.
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