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Old 03-28-2017, 09:41 PM
 
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And God knows Islam is not going to keep to themselves.
Coming from a westerner that's quite ironic. Hundreds of years of colonization, support of dictators, rape, torture and mass bombings of third world people's and it's Islam that doesn't leave people alone?
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Old 03-28-2017, 09:42 PM
 
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Here you go. The PDF is at the bottom. Helps if you can read/understand French.
Présidentielle 2017 : la place de la religion et de la laïcité dans l
So the key take aways I got from the link;

Most French citizens think religion is, as a whole, talked about too often in politics and that it's important to remain secular. There's widespread support for people's rights to practice any religion they want. Most want there to be more cohesion between religions. As it's currently practiced, many feel that Islam does not fit well with modern French society. They believe Islam should primarily be practiced in private, as is the case with other religions.

There was additional information that took these details and applied them to supporters of the three major candidates for President of France. It goes as you'd expect, assuming you have a general understanding of what they're platforms are.
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Old 03-28-2017, 09:45 PM
 
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Wait wasn't it the French whom colonized and massacred hundreds of thousands of Algerian Muslims?

France's war in Algeria explored in Paris exhibition - BBC News

It's no wonder their society and Muslims don't seem compatible. After murdering hundreds of thousands of people of a certain society they tend to reject your way of life and beliefs.
That has pretty much nothing to do with modern compatibility problems. The main issue seem rooted primarily in a view on public vs private life. Muslim cultures generally feel religion is of public concern while French culture feels it's strictly private.
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Old 03-28-2017, 09:46 PM
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Coming from a westerner that's quite ironic. Hundreds of years of colonization, support of dictators, rape, torture and mass bombings of third world people's and it's Islam that doesn't leave people alone?
I'm all for changing our foreign policy but it doesn't matter who is in office, cfr is in charge. But we aren't talking about governments,military's

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Old 03-28-2017, 09:46 PM
 
Location: USA
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The US is a nation of immigrants so it doesn't make sense to stop people from coming here. Europe on the other hand, I don't know why they're pushing to let so many people in who will never fully mesh with society there and will be an "underclass" for the next 1000 years.
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Old 03-28-2017, 09:47 PM
 
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That has pretty much nothing to do with modern compatibility problems. The main issue seem rooted primarily in a view on public vs private life. Muslim cultures generally feel religion is of public concern while French culture feels it's strictly private.
Sure, I don't disagree with you. I was arguing the strawman.
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Old 03-28-2017, 10:09 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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The US is a nation of immigrants so it doesn't make sense to stop people from coming here. Europe on the other hand, I don't know why they're pushing to let so many people in who will never fully mesh with society there and will be an "underclass" for the next 1000 years.
I agree. I say you can't take American practice regarding racial and ethnic diversity and apply it to European countries. Most of them have ethnic identities that go back thousands of years. That doesn't excuse racism, but it does makes more sense to have stricter immigration policies in those countries compared to the U.S.

The U.S. however doesn't have that and has always been a nation of immigrants so you also can't apply the European model to the U.S.
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Old 03-28-2017, 10:17 PM
 
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I agree. I say you can't take American practice regarding racial and ethnic diversity and apply it to European countries. Most of them have ethnic identities that go back thousands of years. That doesn't excuse racism, but it does makes more sense to have stricter immigration policies in those countries compared to the U.S.

The U.S. however doesn't have that and has always been a nation of immigrants so you also can't apply the European model to the U.S.
The question is, how to we control the flow of immigrants into the US without it putting a strain on the environment, infrastructure, etc?
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Old 03-28-2017, 10:29 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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Little late in the game for this view. Better late then never I guess.
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Old 03-29-2017, 03:18 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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They don't seem to be worried about the other religions. Wonder why.


OK. France has woken up.


How about this country, PLEASE.
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